The most corrupt game I have witnessed since THAT game against Barcelona, what an absolute disgrace Mark Clattenburg is, doesn't even feel like a loss....
Chelsea had a lot of bad luck. Welcome to how Manchester United have felt playing at the Bridge in the league for the past ten years. United have suffered countless bad decisions against them since 2002 on this ground, which has usually saved Chelsea from defeat in this fixture this long.
Who can forget last season when Chelsea were completely outplayed and lucky to hang on for a draw? What about March 2011 when Vidic was sent off, Luiz stayed on the field after a blatant hack against Rooney and Chelsea got a penalty (that wasn't) to win the game? What about the non foul in 2009 that led to the free kick that Drogba scored from an offside position to win the game?
Yet I can continue but you get the idea, amazing the fortune Chelsea have enjoyed in this fixture. however well Chelsea did indeed play today and probably deserved a draw, I will definitely put this one down to Karma FINALLY turning up.
On this display Chelsea will be a force to be reckoned with, and Chelsea fans will have a lot to complain about, but this is only really a small rebalance of previous encounters at this ground.
Chelsea were great and should have had maybe a draw. But I can't say I have a lot of sympathy because I have a decent memory.
I'll take all the disagrees and no replies as evidence of some angry Chelsea fans with not a lot to say at the apalling refereeing record in this fixture highlighted by me.
Well at least you know how it feels now in this fixture the suffering United have endured for a long time. That ridiculous penalty in 2008 for a Carrick 'handball'. It is fairly absurd the list of valid result turning complaints at Stamford Bridge that Manchester United could present.
This win also ends Chelsea's positive record against Manchester United. No team in the Premier League has a positive record against Manchester United. Chelsea used to be the only side who had won more than they had lost but the record is now a tie.
I think that record has annoyed Ferguson for quite some time and he will be pleased to have banished it today and have chance to turn it around when Chelsea go to Old Trafford in May 2013, in a delicious potential title decider.
For the record, I didn't give you disagrees. I don't doubt the fact that Manchester could have still won, since there was a handball inside the box from Luiz that the ref didn't call, but I still think Chelsea could have done much more if it wasn't for the sending of Torres. It's a shame that these calls happen and not just to big teams like Chelsea, but every other team too, it just so happened to be Chelsea today.
@vulcanproject Why the hell are you talking about karma when your freaking team gets decisions in their favour nearly week in and week out? Mind citing ALL the "dodgy" decisions Chelsea had while playing you lot since 2002? And FYI, last season, we weren't outplayed, you got two dodgy penalty decisions, clueless I must say.
@Vulcanproject, didn't Karma hit Chelsea just last season when Man Utd were awarded 2 dubious penalties at Stamford Bridge or Karma's still not done yet? I just hope it doesn't hit us next week the way it hit Liverpool. Btw, I wanted United to win this game but what happened today was completely ridiculous.
I also think that red for Torres was harsh but after the replay, he was clearly through but decided to fall instead as the ball was going away from him and he must of thinking about getting a free kick where Mata can score again! don't give me that "there was contact" BS as the contact was minimum and not enough to bring him down! I wouldn't give it red though but not going to give a free kick either!
there were many incidents in the box where players had contact and fall down but not given penalty as they were deemed not enough or simply as simulation and that was what happened last night with Torres - he DIVED!
United started strong and not giving Mata, Hazard and Oscar to take control of the midfield was the key but then they started slacking after that! it's hard to come back into game once those 3 took over thus Chelsea came back with 2-2 with United having no reply! the 1st red was rightly deserved but the 2nd was harsh. but shit happens sometimes and Chelsea got the shorter end of the stick today!
United must step their game up though. they have RVP in front who can scores as he please but he can't do that if he can't get the ball! someone like Scholes who can control the game is severely needed and Cleverly can be that guy if he's given the opportunity but it seems like SAF has too little confidence in him to give him that role and put Rooney in charge of the midfield instead and this needs to change! Rooney is a forward and he has an attacking mindset and he almost always ended up making silly tackles that can lead to goals!
overall, I still think the game could've gone to Chelsea but it is what it is!
You were blatantly outplayed last year most of the game don't deny that, it is delusional.
Obviously it is karma for this fixture. It is fairly surprising that Chelsea fans would deny that United are WELL, WELL overdue the decisions in the fixture at Stamford Bridge. To be honest, I don't see you denying the list of decisions I cited that actually changed the result, because all those games were won by Chelsea by one goal.
In fact the two that happened in the league in 2009/2010 wouldn't have just altered the result of the games, it would have given United the title instead of Chelsea! A draw in either of those ties that United earned and was stolen by bad ref decisions would have meant United had taken the title and not Chelsea. Thats even more significant than a few isolated games. Indeed, this is not something I would forget.
I just can't have a lot of sympathy for moaning Chelsea fans when they were perfectly happy to take all the excellent luck they have had against United in previous recent fixtures, including a title changing set of results no less.
So I am sure United fans will quite happily take this.
Pfff only the third goal decision would have bothered me.
Torres could and should have been off earlier, his tackling even after that yellow was atrocious. Defending him over this is a bit crap, when the one he did on tom cleverley was a good shout for a straight red.
So the third goal was crap and should have been ruled out but if that one had been disallowed man utd would only have keep attacking until they scored the winner.
After the 3rd goal man utd seemed much less eager. Chelsea would never have avoided defeat with 9 men offside goal or not cos man utd would have just kept up the onslaught instead of easing it off
They are booing on a person that stands against racism, they throw garbage on Hernandez, di matteo get`s involved in the game by holding Valencia. WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THE REFEREE DECISIONS WHEN YOU PLAY AGAINST THE MOST HOLLOW CLUB IN GREAT BRITIAN; chelsea?
Seriously though, first red card was deserved but the second was a bit harsh. All that matters is the 3 points.
The game is over now we got the 3 points. Moan all you want but it won't help.
If Ivanovic wouldn't have fouled Young he would have been 1 on 1 with the keeper and 3-2. Torres should have been sent off for the first tackle on Cleverley where he did a De Jong on him. We dominated the 1st third of the game Chelsea dominated the 2nd third and the last 3rd was spoiled by the sendings off.
@lugia Manchester didn't deserve to win because the ref obviously took Manchester's side. Chelsea deserved to win the champions because they played it smart, no help from the ref was needed.
Buddymango would of fucking moaned to satins dick if united were in the position of chelsea and yet still proud? Yeah you got the 3 points but you didn't deserve the 3 points... We realized Howard Webb was replaced today I guess unfortunately and Rooney should of been sent off It was like The scandal in 2009 against barca You always have the refs favoring you every year and fuck the 3 points , I was dying for a draw at least.... LMFAO at the disagrees I get especially from buddymango grandma But it's good , we have to accept these matches since we should be used to it.. United will slip and well regain.. The referee is the 12th man in your squad every time we play against you... Kidding me ? You were getting favored all the calls and bs ahaha
Seriously, Manchester United should have the FA as their sponsors, that was a disgrace. Every team gets decisions that go their way but there's a rabbit away with Manchester United, someone needs to look into this, oh wait that would be the FA - LOL!
Golden_Dive I think you forgot to understand that United signed Mark Clattenburg over the summer mate! Howard Webb wasn't feeling too good'
How pathetic.... Manchester United is full of shit especially that shrek that deserved the red card after Torres sent off
Mark Clattenburg is a joke shouldn't even be a referee.
He was sacked and banned for life only for the idiots at the fa to lessen his ban and bring him back.
Who can forget the mendes goal that was 3 foot over the line but no goal.
He is unprofessional with his business life and in football.
In December 2009, Clattenburg took charge of a tie between Bolton Wanderers and Manchester City. City personnel alleged that at half-time, Clattenburg asked members of their bench: "How do you work with Craig Bellamy all week?" In the second half that followed, he booked Bellamy twice, once for dissent and then for diving, although replays suggested he was actually fouled. City manager Mark Hughes later said: "I've seen Mark Clattenburg have a lot better games than he's had and described his decision to send off Bellamy as "laughable"
Please relegate this idiot to sunday league football, there are plenty of decent refs in the lower league's that would do a better job.
Pretty exiting match until the red cards came in, United deserved the early lead, they were more deadly with the few chances they got, but Chelsea deserved the draw, Torres getting a red card was just completely unfair, especially since he was going to be subbed anyway! Hell, if it wasn't for that, I think Chelsea could've even taken the 3 points. Ref seems like a complete idiot to me.
you guys are crying like you lost the premier league on the last day by goal difference coz of the referees decisions. Calm down. its one match and the season barely started.
to the united fans <me being one of them> i wouldn't be too proud either. united started great, scored early and then faded and let chelsea right back in it. if ivanovic wasn't sent off, chelsea would've won. the torres red card for me was unfair. if anything evans should've been booked and a free kick given to chelsea. and the hernandez winner, yes, it was offside, tough call for the linesman. it just happened so quick. im sure before he knew whats what the ball was in the net. united got lucky today.
with all that being said, i dont see united winning any trophies this season, well no big ones anyways. and what the hell is de gea smoking. that keeper needs to learn to use his hands and hold on to the ball. seriously, i feel nervous when his in goal. put lindegaard in, he's a much better keeper. united need to sort out their defense too. yes, we have them and they injured, that doesn't help. sell vidic <his out since forever>, sell ferdinand too <his past his prime already> and buy a couple better ones. i am sick and tired of watching us concede stupid goals.
its pretty sad, but that's football at the end of the day. Only the final score is what matters.
I think Chelsea, Liverpool and all other cubs should learn from Manchester United. They should stop all this heavy spending on football players, instead they should save up that money and spend it on those precious referees.
United got some lucky decisions today, no-one can deny that. But again we have the complainers and conspiracy theorists who blather on about United getting all the decisions all the time...it's hogwash. What is to gain by the FA favouring United? Last time I checked, leagues where only one team have a chance of winning get very boring very quickly and stagnate. If it's all about the money, as many state, then they generate more money by having more teams competitive at the top. Also, both Man City and Chelsea have FAR more in the way of resources than Man United if it was all about kickbacks and favours. Ivanovich clipped Young and denied him a clear goalscoring opportunity...by the laws of the game, that's a red card. As for Torres, Chelsea can count themselves lucky he'll only be missing for one game instead of 3 after that tackle which caught Cleverley in the upper arm. He should have gone for violent conduct. As for the offside goal, the linesman had little to no chance of seeing that as TV replays showed there were a number of bodies in the way. Combine that with the speed of Hernandez and the strange direction he was running back from, and you can easily see how it was missed in real time.
EVERY team gets dodgy decisions for and against them every week...all the others are ignored by blinkered fans because this time, big bad Man United got a couple. Big deal. The selective memories and sheer jealousy of most football fans is highly amusing, welcome to football, sometimes the best team doesn't always win...just ask Barcelona.
what is it with united and 3-2 this season? every game seems to end that way. still lucky win, chicharito was offside and torres did get clipped even so i still think we would have won with ivanovic sent off. we wont have to wait long for a rematch with the league cup on wednesday.
Hell im happy with the result :) I said earlier in the week to my bro we needed a hiding by chelsea to get are heads out of are arses lol. But maybe some better suited team can do it that can keep there players on the field :D.
United deserved the win, no matter what you bitter Chelsea fans say. United out played them for a majority of the game and if there was a more steady keeper in unites back the first Chelsea goal probably wouldn't have happened.( that was a nice shot but the ball was literally a foot from where he set up for the free kick). Now complaining about the red cards, ivanovic was red no doubt and even if Torres was unlucky he went down easy. Chelsea can whine all they want but united still scored more goals.
The "Referee's favour United" line is becoming stale. Seriously, we hear this from Liverpool fans each year when we play them. Manchester City fans also do it nowadays and how can we forget the Chelsea crowd. Man United has such a strong prescence in this league every season for the past 20 years that it warrants calls from opposing fans as cheating or bribing and whatnot.
Honestly i guess all this negative flak about "referee's favouring United" can be expected since United is one of the most if not most consistent teams in the English Premier League since it started.
Bad or questionable calls happen all the time in football and the quicker fans accept that the better. Ivanovic deserved his red, why people are spitting their dummies out over that i do not know. Torres goes down easily in most games so his second yellow is somewhat harsh but warranted going by his reputation.
One last point i want to put out is that we should have buried the game against 9 men. Why Giggs got given a runout is beyond me when we have players like Anderson on the bench.
I'm very happy! Despite also hating Man U, it is Chelsea who I hate even more..A low-life, morally unaccpetable, repulsive club with racist enabling fans.
The most corrupt game I have witnessed since THAT game against Barcelona, what an absolute disgrace Mark Clattenburg is, doesn't even feel like a loss....
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Wow... what a game! Well done for Chelsea to get back and torres deffo shouldnt been sent off!
Buddymango would of fucking moaned to satins dick if united were in the position of chelsea and yet still proud?
Yeah you got the 3 points but you didn't deserve the 3 points...
We realized Howard Webb was replaced today I guess unfortunately and Rooney should of been sent off
It was like The scandal in 2009 against barca
You always have the refs favoring you every year and fuck the 3 points , I was dying for a draw at least....
LMFAO at the disagrees I get especially from buddymango grandma
But it's good , we have to accept these matches since we should be used to it..
United will slip and well regain..
The referee is the 12th man in your squad every time we play against you...
Kidding me ? You were getting favored all the calls and bs ahaha
Manu has so many good players but they still need help from the refs to win games;/