Arsene Wenger knows exactly how Sir Alex Ferguson is feeling after Manchester United were thumped 6-1 by neighbours City.
Less than two months ago Arsenal suffered their own Old Trafford horror show when they crashed 8-2, and the Gunners boss admitted he did not see United's shock defeat coming.
"It's a surprise," he said. "But France nearly beat New Zealand in the rugby and that was a surprise.
"Like when we lost 8-2, the big scores have no special meaning, it only means something special happened in the game.