1080p60>>>>>che ckerboard trash 30. Its utter BS.

Pachter + Gamingbolt?.. (universe implodes)

if the Scorpio is 6 Teraflops like Microsoft claims, it's definitely not enough to do native 4K either.

4K Gaming will start when sony says so. The pro main reason is high end VR. When the pro launch and the comparison starts with then it'll be that ahaaa moment.PS5 will welcome 4k to the masses.

We're going to continue to see articles about Scorpio until it releases......

I'm actually more interested in seeing 4K when PS5 rolls around. Xbox will surely pull off 4K for a few games, Gears, perhaps Halo, and indie/indie-esque games. But I've seen enough of those games, and it won't look markedly better on Scorpio, especially if they're targeting 4K which will drain all resources.

PS5 will do it better, cheaper, with more games, and HDR 4K should be more affordable by then. So that's what I'm waiting on. My goal is to own a 4K HDR OLED by time PS5 launches. I may give attention to Xbox Aquarius as well, depending on the games.

Of course he's going to say that now when this time next year they will have the weakest console. PS4 Pro can't do native 4K....yet I keep reading people who seem to think it can. It's not powerful enough and never will be. It's essentially PS4.5.

Personally, I think it is MS that is backing the wrong horse here.

Yes, the Scorpio will have native 4k, but how big a difference will that really make over 1800p + a temporal/upscaling strategy? All reports on the PS4 Pro have suggested that, whilst not quite as good as native 4k, it's good enough to get within striking distance if you aren't too discerning.

And that 'aren't too discerning' part is important i. because most consumers aren't and ii. because conveying a difference of that relatively small scale to consumers (especially those who are viewing adverts on a 1080p screen as they have yet to feel compelled to upgrade) is going to be extremely difficult.

That ultimately leaves Microsoft with a proposition that looks only slightly different to the PS4 Pro (and that's if they can convey any difference at all, let alone convince consumers that said difference is worth their money) and yet undoubtedly more expensive.

Pachter doesn't know s#!+, cause historically, gaming is the one entertainment industry that creates interest in all those new technologies. CD-ROM, DVD, Blu-Ray and HD displays were all niche technology until gaming got its hold on them and led to them becoming standard. The same thing will happen to 4K: as soon as games become more common in 4K, you'll start to see the TV sets and monitors syart shooting down in price to meet the demand.

maybe price. Your $100 more for 2k gaming or so ive read games will be hitting 2100p

4K don't make a game better. Gameplay and story is more important and most games this gen have been lacking that. They using 4K to sell 4K TV's and accessories. They did the same with 3D. I'm not buying all this 4K hype because if you really gonna see a difference it's minor and you will have to seat close to the TV to see the difference.

I see what he means but not contemplating that portion of the potential buyer (those that do have access to 4K TV early) would of been foolish for Sony. Current PS4 owners feel pissed? Of course, Im one of them but what about Xbox One owners in regards to Xbox One S.

Whether its a half-step or full generation jump its moving forward and these are companies in it to make money. Thats the bottom line and whomever thinks they put players first is just in need of a reality check.

Buying into 4K now might be a mistake since certain standards aren’t set in stone (HDR10 vs Dolby Vision, for example). So in that regard I agree that 4K is dismissive at the moment, hell when we look at 1080p we still don’t have the majority of channels transmitting in fullHD.

2017 will be an odd year for consoles for sure. The Nintendo Switch being one of them with the March launch but that makes some sense as they are try to set themselves apart from Sony and Microsoft. Another big question mark is Scorpio final costs and VR integration which will be an option with Oculus but so much there is yet to be presented.

In my opinion 4K could of waited but HDR is more interesting as to what it can offer to gaming so 4KTV (make sense for HDR at least) but maybe not justifiable just yet.

hhhOOOkay... here we go again making resolution a much bigger issue than what it really means... No im not a Sony fan boy nor a MS one. I'm just a gamer like everyone else. So can we focus on gameplay and quality please??? I'm so tired of "day one patches" and after that day one patch the quality of our favorite games are still being compromised. I'm tired of AAA games that "supposedly" cost SO MUCH to develop that games are not complete anymore and DLC is forced down our throats.... I would much rather NOT buy a new system but keep the one i have already. I would RATHER these hardware Giants develop software for the already existing machines so that we can have games that run 1080p/60fps standard OR a brand new console that does exactly that at least 4 years from now. 4k resolution is just a gimmick or trick get people to buy the same system over again... YES SAME SYSTEM. Will the PS4 Pro and Scorpio have exclusive games (outside of VR)??? NOPE. ALL games must run on ALL systems as Sony and MS stated before... Don't fall for it, worse is right around the corner. Trust me..

I kind of agree with Patcher here. I own a 4k HDR TV and it's really not that great of a step up from 1080p. In fact some 1080p bluray looks better upscaled in my opinion and the gap isn't as wide as people would lead you to believe. The biggest gap is mostly just the price. Having said that if you have the money and the tech maybe it is worth it to get a Scorpio, but for most consumers the PS4 Pro is the more attractive option especially if they decide to do a price drop when Scorpio releases. If you got Scorpio launching at $500 around Christmas time and Pro selling for $300, the average person is gonna nab up a Pro. Even people thats insanely into the high end tech with loads of money to spend already have a gaming PC with power that exceeds the Scorpio already. So I think only the most hardcore Xbox fans will get a scorpio. Assuming it even launches at $500, but I can't help but wonder; people didn't like when Xbox One launched at $500, what will make the Scorpio any different? Just being able to say you have the most powerful console doesn't mean anything. Xbox 1 was alot more powerful than PS2 and that didn't make a difference at all.

Have mine pre ordered,picking up day one.

So then why bother going after that market at all?

You either want to and can play 4K or you can't. It really is as simple as that. If you can't what's the point of Pro? If it's 1080/60 that will be more achievable by Scorpio than Pro.

There's plenty of native 4K games on PS4 Pro. NBA 2K17 for one....

why is this man always in the game blogs, like WHY!

If the chase is foolish (and I agree it is) then why enter the chase to begin with? I'd say the biggest fool is the one who realizes what they're doing is foolish but go ahead and do it anyway.

Super sampling ! The assumption is made that's he os4 pro only benefits 4k TVs and that simply isn't true. Not trying to join a war just respect Mark Cerny a lot because he has lots of knowledge and doesn't talk like some marketing exec !

It's called future proofing and that can never hurt. The reason they didn't, because video streaming is the number 2 revenue maker for them and they didn't want to hurt that flow.

Funny how all the rabid PS4 fanboys enjoyed slamming the Xbox1 on resolution throughout the last three years. Now they defend the PS4 pro on upscaling, all of a sudden they can't understand what native resolution is and why it's better. They must have fanboy-itis: symptoms- delusion responses, trouble understanding native resolution, apologist of their preferred brand, extremely defensive, can never be wrong, and prefer trolling instead of playing games....lol

It is yes. Native is the only way. Faux 4k is just ridiculous.

Let's question everything when we messed up. What is 4k? What does it all mean? It means MS kicked your ass and now you're making excuses for your inferior system. If MS hadn't been true 4k Sony would now be bragging the same way MS is about having a true 4k system.

It's foolish to take Patcher seriously.

It is foolish, complete nonsense that this has become a thing as all physical media will be dead in a couple years

To be fair ms have already stated some games will not necessarily be 4k. So not every game on both systems will be native 4k.

Plus i am just as happy with 1800p upscaled as i am with 900p upscaled. The difference is only small and it's a worthwhile compromise if it means more stable fps.

I'm pretty sure people thought that getting the new HD 1080p gear back when 720p was the norm was stupid and a waste of time. But now look, 1080p is the norm and anything lower is noticeably different.

Granted, the jump from 1080p to 4k isn't as noticeable as the jump from 720p to 1080p, and you only really see a noticeable difference when sitting within a certain distance from your tv. But native 4k material looks really good on a 4k tv when you are using a 4k compatible connector such as hdmi 2.0.

If you don't have a 4k tv, I wouldn't necessarily recommend getting one just so you have a reason to get a PS4 Pro or XBO Scorpio. But if you do have a 4k tv already, especially if you don't have a PS4 or XBO yet, definitely look into the Pro and Scorpio.

So 4k upscaling good 1080p upscaling bad, got it

You know what am sort of sick of hearing about 4K. I have had a 4K to for over a year now. I have been playing PC games for ever a year. Yes they look amazing in 4K. But I will only play in 4K if I can reach a minimum 60fps. If I can't I'll lower it down to 1800p or 1440p or at worse 1080p. I hope and pray devs and Sony go all out and give us options. If the devs can give us native 4K 30fps fine. But I rather have 1080p or 1440p or 1800p and 60fps. As for the Scorpio it's all good spouting 4K and first proper 4K console etc. But I hope they don't just lower graphics down to get to achieve 4K. I hope there games are 4K 60fps. But I just can't see it with the specs I have read and heard about so far.

This argument sounds familiar.

As far as I'm concerned 4k is too early.....in a year from now it'll be a whole bunch different. A $2500 hdr tv today will probably be $1800 or less next year, that's when I'll be diving in.

Patcher sounds like a fanboy with his "There’s no broadcast television. I can watch Netflix in 4K, and play games when I get my Scorpio in a year, but do I want a TV for that now?"

But he forget that many already own 4K TV's, well I know quite a few anyway. And most important, the PS4 Pro _DON'T NEED A 4K TV Patcher !!_
Everyone seem to get stuck on the 4K mumbojumbo, but it' got 2,3 times more graphical power in it than the PS4, the worlds most powerful console as of right now, so it's a large step in the right direction right here, right now in 2016. Thats more important than what kind of TV this freakshow analyst has in his bedroom to be honest !! :)

The thing that upsets me most with his comments in this article, apart from him obviously being a X-box fanboy, is the fact that if Sony (or whoever) don't take the first step, how does he think anyone is going to get into 4K?!, we need pioneers in every technology area, doesn't care who is first or not, but SOMEONE has to start the innovation.

This time Sony did it first with their version of 4K(ish) gaming (edit:: on consoles!) and I salute em for it.
// Rant over ;)

Doesn't bother you when xbox displays games at 900p, so I'm sure this won't bother you at all.

Most people buy the Pro as a 1080P machine, Pachter.
We know the 4K is bullshit for the most part.

Several games will have native 4K, and have already announced they will, depends on the developer and if they prioritise resolution or other graphical features. People will be happy to step up to PS4 Pro as a stop gap before PS5 I'm sure, just wait till you see how much the Scorpio will cost you after waiting another year.

4k market is for pc guys. Consoles scale with media and that hasn't hit 4k yet

Pachter is an idiot imo. Sony is trying to usher in the new age of 4K gaming. Sure it's too soon, I think, but it's the next logical stepping stone for console gaming.

And when I say 4K, I really mean "4K", to the point where backward compatibility for old PS4 games are literally holding back the PS4 Pro.

Mark Cerny stated that the reason they went with the Jaguar CPU is to enable seamless compatibility with existing and older PS4 games.

Surprised Pachter didn't call the majority of player his bitc*es or something on the side while giving the interview.
Anyways, never owned an xbox, always favored Sony. But I think Sony should have waited a bit more and make the upgrade worth it. All the fanboys counting frames and dreaming about super duper graphics are.. well fanboys. As if the majority of players will actively realize and appreciate any difference. Then again, that' why it is called the PRO. If it considerably enhances the PSVR experience, I will get one, and sell my ps4. Otherwise I may actually gice the Scorpio a try next year, depending on whether or not there are any exclusives I want to play.

PS4 Pointless ...... unless you don't already own a PS4 and have a 4K TV.

Well I'm fortunate enough to bet the PRO for about $80 because I'm trading in my XBOX ONE and PS4 for $250 credit at Gamestop then splitting the rest of the tab with my brother.I have a budget 4k TV.Don't have much to lose.

ms fanboys keep bringing up the 4k row because they want to cover up the fact that ps4 owners in 20 days time can get a console that will garuntee 1080p+ 60fps+ games for the same price as before, so while we enjoy a great gaming exp (like we have all this gen) they can enjoy there 900p,HDR machine for another year in the hope that scorpio (that doesnt phisicly exist yet) will answer all there gaming praye's

So now resolution matters now and not 60FPS or games? So where have the goal post moved to?
When the PS4 and xbox one came out, didnt xbox owners claim that resolution dont matter? now it matters now?

What Patcher doesn't seem to get is that the PS4 Pro is just a PS4. Nor does he or most people seem to understand why we have the new PS4Pro in the first place (see AMD). Lastly, Most playstation owners are STILL playing on a PS3. FOr someone who is in the market for a new PS4, wants a 1TB HD, paying en extra $45 for a PS4 Pro which has more RAM, faster CPU, and Faster GPU is kind of a no brainer. Again, it's just a PS4 with a cherry on top, not a PS5.

Sony fans - Fuck you Patcher
Microsoft fans - We got a 4K Blu-Ray bitches
Nintendo fans - Whats 4k

I agree with Pachter and I think Sony actually know what they're doing. They're marketing it as a 4K console but in reality PS4 Pro will make a very good 1080p console. When Scorpio comes out next year it'll likely run games in Native 4K but it'll also likely be expensive. The market penetration of 4K TV will likely not start to grow until 2020 just like HDTV took 5 years to start increasing from 5%. This means most consumers will own a HDTV and will be choosing between the cheaper PS4 Pro, which does 1080p gamingwell, or the more expensive 4K Scorpio. Sony knows the mass market will likely choose the cheaper "good enough" option just like they did with the relatively weaker PS1 and PS2.

So let me get this straight...
A subsidiary of a company that only makes 4k TV's now is saying that 4k is not their aim because 4k owners are a small group!
Well Sony I guess it's a good thing that I haven't bought any of your products since the days of the ps2.
Sell one thing and then say its irrelevant with another one of your products, nice. To all those that say don't is consumer friendly I say here is just a small taste of why I refuse to buy their products

I have to agree with Pachter for a change, surely not many are actually excited about 4K, it's a negligible difference for a lot more money, it's why I bought a GTX 1060 instead of the 1080 (I paid £200 for the 1060 compared to £600 for the 1080), I can run all games on ultra settings at 1080p60, anymore than that is just a waste of money imho, unless you're a video editor. The only area 4K seems interesting and needed to me is in VR, well actually vr needs 6K but that's a different subject.

It's short sighted to think that the Pro is the be all 4K console. It's a PS4 with 4K adaptability.
The PS5 is when native 4K is more relevant.

I don't think they're chasing that market though. I thought that was the point of the slim? They're making the market appeal of the Playstation platform as broad as they possibly can right now, with a high end 'PRO' and entry level 'Slim' system.

If people want Playstation games they'll buy a Playstation. I don't think that's likely to change. Heck even before either of these announced consoles, the regular PS4s were still selling very well, there's a huge market for the platform that Sony are selling, and that's not going to disappear just because the PRO is targeted to a smaller portion of that market. The slim and the PRO combined compose the Playstation 4 ecosystem and to think it's especially different to what Microsoft are offering with their S and Scorpio models is a little naive.

Ultimately, what does this high end war even matter? Sony and Microsoft should be aware that it only represents a fraction of the market that are interested in this. People look at the games, the price, and they look at what their friends are playing, they do not look at the resolution the game can output. Typical consumers do not view games in the same way that many of us do, those that post on N4G, Neogaf, and similar forums are much more invested in this medium of entertainment as a hobby.

The PS2 didn't win its market as the most powerful console, neither did the Wii, or original Playstation and ultimately whether the PRO is inferior to the Scorpio or not won't matter. What might matter is how the two consoles end up being marketed when they're side by side.

heres thing about 4k. its a small slice... right now. 4k tv's are now affordable though and more and more content is becoming available in 4k. i know this because i have a 4k tv. I also work in a production studio that does a lot of work for studios and commercials... all of them are starting to ask for 4k deliveries which tells me people should start planning for the soon coming 4k storm not too far down the road rather than pretend its not coming... just like how hd did before uhd and bluray came after dvd.

you would say that when a more powerful console will turn up next year doing what your console can't. is he supposed to say buy our console that will not do native 4k on most games?

When resolution issues came up with the X1 all hell broke loose with PS4 owners trolling on stop. Now that the rolls will be reversed when comparing the Pro and Scorpio in regard to 4k those same trolls are saying it doesn't matter and it is the overall experience that matters most. The hypocrisy is pathetic.