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Why Aren’t Developers Making Games For The Nintendo Switch?

Shaz Mohsin says: "Now, I completely get Nintendo being rigid with the content their system has; but if you don’t loosen the entry gates a little bit, then you’re going to end up with nothing, and content is definitely not the area Nintendo can be too picky on."

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PhoenixUp2516d ago

I'm more interested in why people keep using the phrase "selling like hot cakes"

GameBoyColor2516d ago

Cuz it is. Even if stock is limited, everytime they become available they are gone instantly. The demend is there.

LOL_WUT2515d ago

They always do that even with the Wii U yet it never works out the way they planned. I barely managed to get a hold of one from Gamestop ;)

ABizzel12515d ago

AAA
1. "AAA games" generally speaking need demanding hardware, proven online experiences, etc... therefore AAA games will not be making their way to Switch.

Indies & A-tier developers
2. Nintendo has restrictions on what can and can't be uploaded to their platform, and on top of that it cost significantly more to produce games on their cartridges than on a Blu Ray disc. So games that would be considered A-tier have to run the risk of losing their investment even if the game meets goal, because they took a lost on cartridges. Indies have to jump through too many hoops just to get their game cleared.

The device isn't powerful enough to run AAA-games. A-tier developers are generally spread thin, don't have huge budgets, and the risk/reward is slim on Nintendo platforms for 3rd parties on top of a higher cost media format. Indies having too many rules and regulations to get their games up and clear for eShop.

Altogether shows why games are lacking on Switch right now.

Great platform as a handheld, but it lacks the power needed for 3rd party and Nintendo business always hold themselves back.

Imalwaysright2515d ago

@ ABizzel1

AAA games are games made by big studios with a significant budget not only for developing them but for their marketing as well. Power of the device they're being made for has nothing to do with a game being AAA or not. Breath of the Wild and Mario Kart are very much AAA games.

bouzebbal2515d ago

Buy an overpriced console with no multi media function with no exclusive or 3rd party game worth it is staggering. No matter how good it is to use a console with no games will never be worth buying.
But the fanboys will tell you wait for e3.
Let's wait then...

davand1142515d ago

But do hot cakes even sell that well?

DivineAssault 2515d ago

The switch is selling out fast but nintendo has to be careful not to overstock.. They arent stupid and wont risk losing money by making it too accessible but theyll meet the demands eventually

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PurpHerbison2515d ago

Breath of the Wild and Mario Kart are WiiU PORTS. They shouldn't be included in the AAA argument. We are talking about potential NEW AAA games, not ports from an even weaker system.

DarXyde2514d ago (Edited 2514d ago )

ABizzel1,

I imagine AAA titles will make their way to Switch. Early support will likely come from Ubisoft and Bethesda and, should they succeed, we'll see more support. Japanese support is a given; it's relatively simple to port games from PC or PS4 to Switch and Japanese gamers love mobility. Seems like a good start.

As for Indies and A- tier developers, naturally, restrictions apply to content. The cartridges likely cost more because they're proprietary, but PSP saw pretty decent success, as did DS and 3DS. Smaller developers were still able to put out niche games on Vita, even if limited. We don't know the nature of these deals; for all we know, since developers would need to buy the cartridges from Nintendo (being proprietary and all) who's to say they don't waive publishing costs for physics titles?

You mention the power holding it back, but I think that depends on context. As I mentioned, it looks like Switch will gain great Japanese support. If not much else, those games will be present on Switch. We're seeing something of a Japanese renaissance and those games don't really push the hardware. We may sacrifice resolution and/or frame rate, but you also may not. Persona 5 doesn't push the PS4, for instance, yet it's arguably the best game released this year (current game of the generation in my opinion). I don't know how hard DQ11 pushes PS4, but it's also got a Switch version confirmed. For western games that focus on power, sure, Switch is at a disadvantage there. Otherwise, I don't really think so.

wannabe gamer2514d ago

Nintendo systems don't even sell cause they are good anymore. they sell cause they are the hot item to have and see beside someone's tv but they have been collecting dust since the wii. they are expensive paperweights after 1-3 months of purchase. nintendo needs to quit making weak underpowered hardware as a cost saving measure and actually try to do something worth while for once.

indysurfn2514d ago (Edited 2514d ago )

How does this site go from saying SWITCH lets too many indie games on SWITCH to: it is too tight on what they let on the system? Contradict yourselves much?

CLICK BAIT !

DarkZane2514d ago

Every consoles sell well at the beginning. Both the PS4 and Xbox One had better launches than the switch and both were selling out their stock quickly once new shipments came in (especially the PS4).

However that doesn't matter if you can't keep that up when stock isn't a problem anymore. We'll find out if the Switch is really selling well once stock isn't an issue anymore. The Wii U was doing pretty well at first too, but there was a lot of stock, the sales slowed to almost nothing and the console flopped.

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PhoenixUp2516d ago

I'm pretty certain the demand for hot cakes are never so strong that they've been the epitome of demand that warrants the phrase

IanTH2515d ago (Edited 2515d ago )

You can look here at number 9 as to the best guess:

http://mentalfloss.com/arti...

It is interesting how turns of phrase like this are born, and doubly so when we can only speculate as to their true origin, or why they became popular to begin with.

BadElf2515d ago

I've also had VERY good Cold cakes. I think I prefer COLD cakes

JayEscobar2516d ago

haven't bought any hot cakes since like 2001.

Which...is actually the same year I bought my last Nintendo console, the GameCube

Nu2515d ago

You just BURNT alot of people.

dragongod642515d ago

The WII was a lot of fun, sorry u didn't like it. The wii u was a steep in the right way but it should have never been made. "Hate" this new thing where Nintendo sells u full price games with no game in the box". I am Never buying a Nintendo system again.

Pookandpie2515d ago

Because the turn of phrase precedes our lifespans by a significant margin- probably originating in the nineteenth century or maybe even earlier.

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DanteVFenris6662515d ago

and yet I'm sure you agree the PS4 is, stop being a fanboy and wish all consoles a success

3-4-52514d ago

Developers are making games for Switch though. More have been announced just over the past few days....or "leaked".

Wait for E3. This article shouldn't exist before E3 anyways, as no developer is really going to fully announce their Switch game developments before the 3 days dedicated to those reveals.

It's like people complaining in November why they haven't received their Christmas gifts yet.

Some of you don't really think things through now do you ?

Rhythmattic2514d ago (Edited 2514d ago )

"I'm more interested in why people keep using the phrase "selling like hot cakes"
Because soon they're gonna get cold.......

Goodfella782514d ago

Because as per usual with Nintendo for quite some time now there consoles are underpowered overpriced shovelware machines.....

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porkChop2516d ago

New Switch games are getting announced pretty much every day. Bigger third parties haven't jumped on yet, but it's clear they're waiting a few months to see if sales die down.

LOL_WUT2515d ago

Usually it means AAA 3rd party support no ones going to write an article for not getting support from small indie devs ;)

Thatguy-3102515d ago

Only Nintendo games sale on Nintendo platforms. I highly doubt you'll be seeing huge third party titles

objdadon2515d ago

"Only Nintendo games sale on Nintendo platforms. I highly doubt you'll be seeing huge third party titles"

If that's the case then there's no way in hell the switch will get anywhere near wii sales so many are boldly predicting. I love my switch but not having big 3rd party games will inevitably seal its fate.

admiralvic2515d ago

"If that's the case then there's no way in hell the switch will get anywhere near wii sales so many are boldly predicting. "

Two things.

1) People project based off what figures indicate and people are interested in. Currently it is selling better than the Wii and track to achieve that level of sales. Based off the data it isn't impossible to believe, but only time will tell.
2) The Wii got there being cheap and generally lacking huge third party titles. You couldn't play Dead Space (minus Extraction or whatever), BioShock, Dead Rising 2 or later (Dead Rising on there is also better left forgotten...), Skyrim, GTA, Street Fighter IV, BlazBlue and countless others and it did fine. While the cost hurts the system, the ability to play things like Skyrim on the go is a huge perk for many.

"I love my switch but not having big 3rd party games will inevitably seal its fate."

It will have less sales (more content can't possibly decrease sales), but how much of an impact it makes is up in the air. However, games that are resource heavy or have a lot of online content, are likely to sell bad on the Switch anyway. As nice as portability is, people typically buy games to play with friends and with an established network, so even if Destiny could run on the Switch, I assume it would easily be the least popular. The same holds true for performance. Dead Rising gets a lot of flack for how poorly it ran on the Wii and it stands to reason people will pick better hardware over portability if hardware is a significant factor.

wonderfulmonkeyman2515d ago

Monster Hunter says hi. As does Dragon Quest and plenty of others.

LordJamar2515d ago

doubt it. the switch is gonna be wii u all over again

Segata2515d ago

It's out tracking Wii sales. It sold more in it's first month than Wii U did in it's first year. Already has more support from 3rd party devs than Wii U did in all 5 years in Switchs first year alone. It has a modern and efficient chip set. An API that isn't GX but Vulkan & OpenGL 4.5. Native UE4 support and really easy to get UE4 games running on it. 20 UE4 Japanese games coming to it. nearly 200 games listed on Wikipedia. Aggressive marketing. Clear communication about the product to the customer. In no way at all is this like Wii U.

LordJamar2515d ago

@segata 100% disagree with you

yomfweeee2515d ago

Segata Switch sales have been very similar to WiiU. WiiU had sold over 3 million by end of 2012. That was 6 weeks in America and about 4 in Europe. Less than 4 in Japan. Wasn't even release in some regions by then.

Switch had a worldwide release on March 3rd and was at 2.74 million after 4 weeks.

So, it really isn't impressive. It was spurred by Zelda, which many people waited years for.

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory2516d ago

You mean why are Western Developers aren't making games for the Switch? Well that don't like portable.

_-EDMIX-_2515d ago

https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

http://www.ign.com/articles...

Nothing to do with west or east.

We've talked about this before bud.

Resident Evil 5 and 6, MGS4-5, FFX, FFXII FFXV, FFXIII etc all skipped Nintendo platforms.

Please stop trying to spread misinformation. At this point, you know its not true as I've linked those sources to you before.

This isn't about west or east, its simply about the lack of AAA SUPPORT!

ie you won't see many of those companies BIG series on that platform as historically never saw them on those platforms after the introduction of the Playstation.

Heck, Tekken, FF, MGS, RE etc have more of a home on XB then they do a Nintendo system.

BOTH West and EAST are not making AAA games for Switch, but both clearly didn't support Wii U.

mean...MGSV can work on Wii U and it was skipped.

RE5 and 6 and Revelations 2 and 2002 and Zero Remaster all could work on Wii U and SKIPPED

THUS it has NOTHING to do with West vs East.

You don't see FFXV coming to Switch just like you don't see Destiny 2.

Its just too weak.

Stop trying to paint it as if its west vs east when BOTH are not bringing AAA titles and many are even confirming this right out of the gate.

C_Ali882515d ago (Edited 2515d ago )

We are talking about the Switch and the Switch only!! Not consoles that are dead and gone, and if we are talking about the Switch then it needs to be said that, Koei, Capcom, Level 5, SE, EA, 2k, Ubisoft, WB games, Mojang, Bandai Namco, Sega, Atlus, are all developing for Switch... Your comment holds very little ACTUAL information pertaining to the Switch. In fact this article ignores scores of third party games to argue an invalid point, such as you have done here!

wolokowoh2515d ago

While I'll agree with the main point, your supporting evidence is very weak. RE5 came out well before Wii U. RE6 was released a month before. So both would have been ports to a low selling console that had too many ports as it was. You conveniently left out RE4 because you knew it was on GameCube first and came to Wii. If you're bring FFX into this, RE4 is fair game for a counter argument. MGS4 also didn't come to Xbox 360 which was available well before release and at the time the better selling out of the PS3 and 360. MGSV came out after PS4 launched and the Wii U was already deemed a failure so a port of any kind wouldn't sell. Sure there's the PS3 version but that sold like crap in comparison on console with 80+ million. As you you pointed out, FFXV on what console. Nintendo doesn't have one that run it in its current state. They had trouble optimizing the PS4 version. FF13 came out well before the Wii U so again it would just be a port. FFX is fair because they could have ported to Wii like RE4 did. This especially true because Wii was successful for JRPGs but then you would have to concede all the handheld support and the Dragon Quest on Wii, etc over the years if we're going back that far. Also Xbox doesn't have FFX Remaster either. FF12 same. The sequel to FF12 was a DS or 3DS game. Also again this ignore Square support of DS/3DS and most likely future support of Switch.

What it comes down to is Nintendo has given developers reasons not to work with them. Since Wii they have underpowered hardware for a home console making it hard for anything but ports of older games and completely original games to flourish. New IP are fairly rare so that just leaves ports.

_-EDMIX-_2515d ago (Edited 2515d ago )

@C_A- those consoles are still relevant because they show there is a history of these companies not supporting platforms that have either limitations or are unable to sell their properties.

Yes those companies are working on the switch but a lot of those companies have also confirmed titles that won't even show up on the switch.

Capcom has stated Resident Evil will not appear on the switch but technically they've had this stance for Nintendo platforms since 2013 if you actually look up those releases.

Square Enix has just stated Final Fantasy 15 is not coming to the switch which only further confirms that this is the situation comparable to the previous systems.

I mean the Assassins Creed game based on the leaks is not coming to the switch which once again confirms this is a situation comparable to those previous systems where they were too weak.

I mean consider you never got Assassin's Creed Unity or Syndicate on the Wii U.

If you ever want to see what a company is likely to do in the future simply look at what they've done in the past.
There is a pattern in the history of these companies not supporting a Nintendo platform if it's too weak actually regardless of its sales.

Wii

@wolo-Resident Evil 5 and 6 were also re-released on the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One in completely skipped the Wii U in fact Revelations 2 and 2002 and Resident Evil Zero were also remastered and never appeared on the Wii U.

The very first Revelations game is being re-released on the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One and it doesn't have a switch version.

To my understanding capcom's comments were Resident Evils were not coming to the switch they stated nothing about Resident Evil 7 which actually means they don't mean a single particular title it sounds like they mean the series in general but this simply support an idea that they've been doing since 2013 where Nintendo systems have been being skipped for Resident Evil re-releases and normal releases.

Final Fantasy 10 and Final Fantasy 12 are also being re-released that are not appearing on Nintendo platforms so please stop using the releases of The Originals as justification for them not appearing on Nintendo systems because for the most part that doesn't explain why they are not being re-released on Nintendo systems.... I mean Dream Drop Distance was completely remade in 3D for PlayStation 4 and completely skipped the Wii U or switch despite the original game existing on 3DS.

Facts

That it's not a subjective idea
that is not an opinion
that is not my personal view

that is something that is objective, it is a fact you can look up yourself.

Fist4achin2515d ago

Nintendo will start to throw some serious money around like they did for the ds and 3ds. Already we see another iteration of Monster Hunster only being released on the switch. That will definitely bolster their Japan sales. Then we will see a persona, FF, DQ, Bayonetta, No more heroes, etc... roll out exclusive to the switch. It may look like a slow start, but they know what sells and will either bring it, or pay to bring it. Despite their failures, they still have deep pockets.

Like you said, nothing to do with the east vs west.

DashMad2515d ago

Monster hunter, some of niche PSvita JRPG dev also jump ship to the switch already game like Disgaea 5, fate, tohou even koei tecmo delay night of azure 2 to release on switch, it got dragon quest and i bet it sold more in switch than PS4. SMT from atlus, tales of game. PS4 just isn't healthy enough for japanese market that flagship IP like FFXV barely sold 1 million that huge drop from FFXIII and majority of it's game bomba in japan, hell i predicted switch will outsold PS4 LTD in just 15 month in japan or in a year if they can get their stock problem solved.

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quent2515d ago

The System is barely 3 months old so give it the benefit of the doubt just like everyone did for the other 2 systems for a couple of years before the software started picking up, also, who says developers aren't making games for it ?

Thatguy-3102515d ago

Third party support from big publishers was always present for those two systems tho.

Vegamyster2515d ago

They also launched right before the holiday season which is when a large number of popular games come out, not at the start of March, even the Wii-U's launch had a fairly significant amount of 3rd party games although some of them were older. If no new games are announced at E3 for the Fall then it probably won't have much support from big franchises, we won't really know until then.

_-EDMIX-_2515d ago

lol

PS and XB needed a couple years before developers made games for them?

LOL! You sure about that?

https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

quent2515d ago

Yeah I'm sure, 2 spinoffs, a couple of remasterd ps3 titles and a poor mans Crash Bandicoot doesn't really count

IMO

C_Ali882515d ago

Bring up a MORE RECENT article, everything you post seems to be PRE LAUNCH lol....

_-EDMIX-_ You're an embarrassment..

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/...

porkChop2515d ago

Dude, I got my PS4 right after launch. Outside of the big AAA mega franchises, the want much for the first year and a half. Things were pretty sparse for the XBO as well.

I mean do you really not remember everyone dubbing PS4 the "IndieStation 4"? It's a great system, don't get me wrong. I love my PS4. But I'm not going to pretend that the first year or two didn't suck.

Every new platform is like that, and always have been in my near-25 years of gaming.

_-EDMIX-_2515d ago (Edited 2515d ago )

@Pork-

PS4 and XONE launched with Battlefield 4, Call Of Duty Ghost, Need For Speed, ACIV and many other AAA games.

LAUNCHED with those games.

Switch is not getting Call Of Duty (not day and date anyway if ever) Destiny 2, Battlefront 2, Prey, Shadow Of War, AC Origins, Far Cry 5 etc.

If PS4 and XONE can get a bunch of cross gen games, why is Switch not getting this treatment?

"Every new platform is like that"

LOL

Every new platforms doesn't launch with BF, COD, NFS etc?

You sure?

Buddy...the same games that LAUNCHED on PS4 and XONE are NOT COMING TO SWITCH AT ALL, that isn't a "first year " issue, that is a its not coming to the system issue.

We didn't just get PS4 and XONE and then have to wait years for Battlefield 4, Call Of Duty Ghost, Need For Speed, ACIV etc so why are you assuming it makes sense for Switch users to wait for games series PS and XB owners got at launch?

letsa_go2515d ago

@porkChop The Nintendo 64 game drought was the WORST! That actually got me out of gaming until the dreamcast. I should've got the PS1. haha

porkChop2515d ago (Edited 2515d ago )

Alright, Edmix. Clearly reading isn't your strong suit.

What I said:
"Outside of the big AAA mega franchises, there wasn't much for the first year and a half."

What you said:
"PS4 and XONE launched with Battlefield 4, Call Of Duty Ghost, Need For Speed, ACIV and many other AAA games."

I said that the PS4/XBO didn't have much in the first year *outside* of the big AAA franchises. So you proceed to bring up how they launched with the big AAA franchises. Good job, bud.

No shit they had the big games, but outside of those big games there was nothing but Indies. The libraries were sparse in the first year aside from the usual big games and Indies. This is the same with almost every new platform launch.

_-EDMIX-_2515d ago

@Pork- "No shit they had the big games, but outside of those big game"

lol so outside of big games, they didn't have games....ok bud.

Good luck with that.

Why are you excluding games?

The point is, those "big games" released at launch on PS4 and XONE, yet are not on Switch.

"I said that the PS4/XBO didn't have much in the first year *outside* of the big AAA franchises"

Well sure, Switch has even less as it doesn't even have those "big AAA franchises"

I mean...based on your logic, you still agree.

Its lacking in games. Switch doesn't have those "big AAA franchise" by 3rd party.

To exclude those games doesn't make any sense, you are saying that PS4 and XONE launched with games that clearly are not on Switch, sooooooo that actually means, by your post bud, that PS4 and XONE launched with "bigger" games.

"This is the same with almost every new platform launch"

No its not. You can't say " they had the big games, but outside of those big game"

???

They had games that are not coming to Switch at launch. THUS, no its not "the same".

So PS4 and XONE have big AAA game not found on Switch OH but at the same time they are "the same"?

LMFAO dude no, you can't have if both ways. PS4 and XONE launched with multiple series for a fact NOT FOUND on Switch and already confirmed to not be coming. By default it will have a lessor launch.

Stop excluding games to force a narrative. It makes no sense. I mean Switch had a bad launch, if you exclude Zelda, Mario Kart (ports bro) /s

Come on pal. This is looking at the entire launch,what you feel about big AAA is irrelevant. PS4 and XONE launched with some of the biggest properties in gaming.

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Snez2515d ago

The Xbone and PS4 were instantly getting ports of the latest big name franchises alongside the last generation systems. It only took one or two games from the franchises and they had flat out jumped ship to our current generation.
The other systems didn't have to wait a couple of years at all.

ninsigma2515d ago

Who waited a couple years?? Latest COD and Assassins creed a LOT more big 3RD party were released to PS4 and XBOX ONE the year they came out and haven't stopped since. None of that is happening for the Switch, that's the difference.

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Dbrand Faces Social Media Backlash and Offers $10K Apology

Dbrand, a renowned producer of skins for mobile devices and console faceplates, found itself in hot water recently due to a controversial incident on social media. The company, known for its "witty banter" with customers, took it too far this time, drawing criticism from the gaming community.

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MetroidFREAK211h ago

I really hate when companies try to be edgy... like it's not funny, never has been funny and never will be

Andrew33635m ago

Do you speak for everyone? I wouldnt consider making fun of someones last name as "edgy" either tho.

Abnor_Mal38m ago

Everyone wants to be the next Wendy’s social media rep. Since they do it and seemingly get away with it cause comments actually trolls for such a response, every company is trying to get in on being edgy.

neutralgamer199214m ago

Yes d brand tries to be humorous but if a customer reaches out to you with a question the last thing should be to make fun of their name

Did the right thing apologize and move on. Given the cancel culture and snowflakes it seems everyone is offended by everything. This next generation is so damn soft

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1012d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref2d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde2d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19722d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville2d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21831d 17h ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos1d 16h ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai2d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref2d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan2d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0071d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19722d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19722d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref2d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde2d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19722d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19722d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier1d 23h ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto2d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21831d 16h ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto1d 14h ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman2d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts2d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts1d 2h ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic1d 10h ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Is Driver (PS1) Still Worth Playing in 2024?

"Driver was a technical achievement for PS1, a pioneer in cinematic gaming, and an often brutal challenge - TechStomper asks if its brand of 70s car chase antics still holds up."

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PrimeVinister3d ago

The driving holds up, most of everything else does not.

PrimeVinister2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@Shane Kim

Well, I mean the driving physics hold up. The draw distance, police AI, visuals in general etc do not

Cacabunga2d ago

One of my all time favorites on PS1. I spent a summer vacation playing this was so good

isarai2d ago

Sadly youd be hard pressed to find any driving game with better physics these days. But the draw distance really kills it for me

PrimeVinister2d ago

The physics hold up ridiculously well. And the draw distance is a real hurdle at first.

__y2jb2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Nonsense. The physics in any modern game or any 360 game is light years beyond Driver.

Dandizzle2d ago

This game is hard, you will fail and quit

PrimeVinister2d ago

But you will get there eventually... maybe

jznrpg2d ago

Stop with is it worth it articles. If you want to play a game play the damn game!

anast2d ago

I loved this game awhile back.

Barlos2d ago

Yeah but is it worth reading pointless articles?

__y2jb2d ago

It wasn’t worth playing in the 90’s.

Espangerish2d ago

My thoughts exactly. I bought it at release for full price and got frustrated and bored with it very quickly.

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