@moldybread

The reason Sony is not doing it is because it's bad for them. Microsoft did the same thing last gen when they were ahead and they would definitely do the same thing again if they were winning this gen too.

Also, seems to me Sony wants to do crossplay, they just don't want to do it with Microsoft.

@DigitalRaptor
"And in every single cross-play article I see the biggest exposed hypocrite of N4G throwing around fake, agenda-driven concern for the industry and for the PS4 console they don't even have the intention of buying,"

Oh, so you plan on buying an Xbox One? Cool. If not then doesn't that make you a hypocrite for constantly trying to deflect Sony is the barrier in 99.985% of the cases involved with console crossplay today?

"rather than ever bringing up the fact that companies like MS (that they continually defend), have their own cross-play restrictions, especially on the PC - the platform that person ACTUALLY games on. Then making excuses as to why it's okay for MS to do the comparative things that they do. I'm not sure why they continue to sit on the pedestal that their own one-sided & biased nonsense and double standards have broken apart."

Microsoft is bringing crossplay with Steam, now tell us how Sony is advancing in this area?

@The_Infected
"In every cross platform gameplay article it always seems to be filled with a Xbox fans first and foremost. Kind of ironic if you ask me. Guess they want to play with PlayStation fans so bad they can’t stand it. Lol"

And yet here you are, doing what exactly other than showing your loyalty towards Sony just because?

@DarkZane
"The reason Sony is not doing it is because it's bad for them. Microsoft did the same thing last gen when they were ahead and they would definitely do the same thing again if they were winning this gen too. Also, seems to me Sony wants to do crossplay, they just don't want to do it with Microsoft."

But it's not bad for them. It's bad for its users who won't be getting the latest update for Minecraft. How is that good for you? So instead of finding reasons why its bad for them maybe you should start asking Sony why its good for you. Anyone who thinks the PS4 will slow down in sales because they now allow crossplay with Xbox is dreaming.

Phil Spencer on Twitter,

https://twitter.com/xboxp3/...

"I would have liked to see them leave it on."

Now where is Sony's response?

dumbest excuse ive ever seen. Not even going to argue.

That's a bit of a worse case scenario apocolyptic view don't you think? How would the industry be adversely affected by this, and why would it stagnate? The console industry thrives off hardware and software that supports it. The ability to play with people on another console in no way affects that.

The idea of having a invested profile is probably worse, as it artificially makes people loyal for nothing more than not losing what they achieved prior, and that was around last gen, and it hasn't hurt this gen at all.

I think you overestimate the number of people that would stick with a platform just because of digital content. We saw this gen that BC wasn't that important in the end. While it may have some effect, it's still way too soon to assume that forward thinking on this concept of BC is now somehow relevant.

I agree with Rain on this. It's completely plausible that Sony feels their network isn't secure enough to open to outside sources. PC appears to be ok regardless of which Microsoft OS you run as long as it's Steam. It's the risky closed console systems they are worried about. Nintendo and Microsoft are just a couple of Mavericks letting their ones and zeroes collide in cyberspace with wanton disregard.

@Ziggurcat
Moldy once again proves all you need is google and to open your eyes. And Rainslacker as others on this site have repeatedly discussed how they believe the reasons Sony disapproved crossplay might be because of security reasons.

Now do you have anything else to add to the conversation to move it forward or are you just going to continue to be ignorant of what's all that is going on this very site for this topic?

Nice twist death. Either that or you really don't understand what I said. Which is it?

It has nothing to do if Sony feels that their network is secure enough, it has to do with Sony wanting to keep it secure.

As I've explained to you, and God knows how many others in the past, security in IT is a very broad and all-encompassing term which relates to every single policy that is in any related to the network. not just security, but how that system operates, what those accessing the network have access too, how developers can use that network, what to do in case of a breach, moderation of the network, etc.

If Sony's network wasn't secure, there is no way that MS would be vying it's way into trying to build this negative reputation for Sony right now, because they know that it would turn around on them quick if Sony agreed and suddenly they wouldn't allow it because Sony's network wasn't secure.

@gangsta

My reasoning is just as valid as the random belief that Sony is just being a dick. At least I can back it up with experience and actual reasons that go beyond feelings and an attempt to wage some console war.

Do you have anything that adds to the conversation? I mean, has it even been a conversation all year? I say my piece, some of you ignore it as completely impossible, I do the same because I'm not willing to just say your right...even though I say it's possible, but since some of you have had this stance since the first Rocket League article came out with nothing to go on, it's hard to take any of your comments seriously since you absolutely refuse to look past the Sony is evil slant, and constantly try to put down anyone who won't blame Sony over this completely.

Ignorant? Before I got into game design, I did this kind of stuff for a living. My entire job was ensuring the security of integrating different networks. Ignorant my ass. I'd say I'm a hell of a lot more knowledgeable about what's going on here in the background than you. I speculate, because I don't know all the details, but I'd say what I'm saying is a hell of a lot more likely than Sony just being unreasonable.

Ignorant?

How many of you still can't seem to comprehend what exactly the word security means in IT?

Go look it up, the get back to me, and tell me how I'm somehow off base.

@moldy:

none of what you said provides any evidence to support gangsta's claim. the only mention of security in the quote you pulled was in relation to MS, not Sony...

@gangsta:

"Moldy once again proves all you need is google and to open your eyes."

no, he didn't... the article he cited isn't about people here, as you've claimed, citing security as an "excuse." and "google it" is not an answer. you could move the conversation forward by simply backing up your statement with the evidence you were asked to provide.

Rain,

Your reason is plausible if Sony doesn't allow crossplay on any platform outside of PlayStation. When Sony allows crossplay with PC which is the hardest to keep secure, it kind of makes it clear that isn't the case, This is the reason Sony gave, no guess work is needed:

Jim Ryan, head of global sales and marketing for PlayStation, attempted to defend Sony’s block of cross-platform play. “We have a contract with the people who go online with us, that we look after them and they are within the PlayStation curated universe,” says Ryan. “Exposing what in many cases are children to external influences we have no ability to manage or look after, it’s something we have to think about very carefully https://www.theverge.com/20...

Sony is concerned with exposing children that have contracts with them to Switch and Xbox players, but not PC players on Steam. That is the BS Sony is handing out. Your explanation about security is kind of moot since it's not what Sony stated and contradicts what Sony is doing. You seem like a very intelligent person, you should be able to see this for what it is.

@death:

Jim Ryan isn't Sony. I'm sure global sales, and marketing has little to do with what has to be done in order for all parties to agree to allow cross play to happen. you're taking an idiotic statement from an individual who has little to do with anything related to implementing cross play, and using it as an official stance from the entire company.

if children was really a reason, there wouldn't be cross play with PC/Steam, either, so... try coming up with something different.

What's amazing is how developers that actually deal with Sony have come out publicly stating they are the cause of the hold-up and Sony isn't even considerate enough to explain to them why they won't do it. What's even more amazing is how Sony can get their fans to argue on their behalf and come up with reasons while they can't explain it themselves.

So here's the breakdown, Jim Ryan from Sony tried to explain why and a few developers have said Sony is blocking it. That is what we have to work with and that is what we will work with.

@Zig,

You want me to give a better reason than Sony's executive Head of Sales and Marketing for Sony Interactive Entertainment because you feel he isn't qualified to make one? I'm glad you think so highly of me that you would believe me over the official reason Jim Ryan gave, but I'm not sure I can do it. I agree that using the safety of children as the reason makes little sense since crossplay with PC is acceptable for Sony, but that is the reason an executive of SIE gave. No one else at Sony Interactive Entertainment contradicted or corrected his statements though which makes him the highest ranking executive to make a statement. Should I believe him or you about the topic we are discussing?

@death:

"You want me to give a better reason than Sony's executive Head of Sales and Marketing for Sony Interactive Entertainment because you feel he isn't qualified to make one?"

seeing as how they allow cross play with PC/Steam, "protecting the children" is clearly not actually a reason why they've said no to cross play with Xbox. I think it was a very poor choice of words on Ryan's part that doesn't quite represent the specific reasons why Sony has said no to cross play.

"No one else at Sony Interactive Entertainment contradicted or corrected his statements..."

that's a moot point - no other executives at MS have ever corrected anyone else at MS about statements they've made in the past. Greenberg (who is probably the closest to Jim Ryan in comparison here) has put his foot in his mouth on several occasions, and I don't recall anyone correcting his gaffes - particularly about the exclusivity of RotTR in response to Keighley or any of the other big claims he made in recent months. No one corrected Spencer when he said RotTR exclusivity was "the same deal as Ryse, and DR3" on Xbox One, which lead people to believe it was only coming to Xbox/PC. No one corrected Spencer when he slammed Sony for timed exclusive content, and then announced a bunch of timed exclusive games/content on stage at E3. I could go on about how many times someone at MS said something dumb that wasn't corrected by another executive at MS...

"And you wonder why I hardly ever respond to you any longer. You are not here for answers, just deflection and calling people hypocrites while you yourself act like one."

THAT IS HILARIOUS.

You decided to respond to my comment that is 2 sentences long and supposed to be a joke, but have refused to acknowledge my serious and solid in-depth points about the cross-play discussion (among other things) that exposes your angle, for weeks and months.

No, you don't respond to me much anymore, just like you didn't in those early cross-play articles is because your intense hypocrisy was on display and you feared to, so walked away with your tail between your legs. The fact that you acknowledged that I asked why you fail to respond to my comments, proves that you read them and chose not to address your double standards. It's a running theme, that. Every time I've exposed your sensational double standards which show that your agenda is nothing short of disingenuous, you don't even accept that it's true. You only deflect that which is true.

I don't care if you want to try and turn this round on me, your recorded double standards continue prove the agenda that you keep trying to hide away from and seek support from like-minded pretenders to defend against, and even when your arguments are broken down with facts by people who know what they're talking about, all you do is skulk away with your tail between your legs and climb back on to that broken pedestal of yours and act like you haven't been exposed a great number of times.

Your attempt to beat a dead horse with one-sided representation about cross-play that I know you thirst for each and every day is going to end as well as "mods on consoles" and "backwards compatibility" did. You will see that you are that which you claim to hate, and I will continue wondering why you have never bring up the things that Microsoft does that causes restrictions on PC (your platform of choice) but are prematurely and instinctually all over Sony's ass because of theories and things you can't really prove.
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@ ziggurcat & rainslacker

Well done for questioning the narrative and agenda of the disingenuous and hypocritical.

I To @rainslacker,
I never said I get crossplay between all the different systems. I simply said that I have to usually (or my friends have to) but multiple copies so we can play. I was never an Xbox gamer and probably will never be, but hat doesn't mean I have no real life friends who don't play on Xbox. They simply always have. The same goes for PC gaming. I remember having to figure a way to play BF1 as some friends had PC while I got PS4. Typically the platform with most forces the outlier to buy it so I bought BF1 for PS4 and PC, but they had to buy Titanfall for PS4 since 3 vs 1 had the PS4 version.

It's confusing but that's how my friends and I operate. Hope that answers your concern too @AspiringProGenji

You know what's even funnier, no one forgot last gen.

http://n4g.com/news/1306591...
http://n4g.com/news/1793171...
http://n4g.com/news/790811/...

And I'm going over your link that you left and I don't see where Sony asked MS to do this. Did I miss something?

@Victor,

A third party developer stated Microsoft wouldn't allow cross play with PS3 6 years ago. Maybe it would have been different if Sony was the one asking for it instead. As the article you linked mentions, FF had both Xbox and PlayStation gamers on a shared server so it wasn't impossible. Either way, in 2017 Microsoft is pushing the initiative and sent out invites to both Nintendo and Sony. Nintendo and Microsoft are allowing crossplay while Sony declined when the opportunity was actually made available. You guys are blaming Microsoft for a hypothetical possibility from 2011 instead of looking at Sony's real response in 2017. For the sake of argument, let's say Microsoft was the bad guy back then and wrong. Why does that make it ok for Sony to be wrong today?

@Death

Quote : Maybe it would have been different if Sony was the one asking for it instead...

Sony asked for it, MS didn't allowed that.