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Gran Turismo boss says he removed GT Mode as gamers are losing automotive know-how

The creator of one of the world’s most successful racing video game franchises has revealed that he changed the way players can customise cars because gamers today have less mechanical knowledge than they did 20 years ago, when the first Gran Turismo game was launched.

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-Foxtrot2380d ago

"But the new users don’t have that knowledge”

Customization is always nice. Wouldn't the job during development be to make a mode which taught players that knowledge.

freshslicepizza2379d ago

Is it me or is he suggesting the new generation are not as hardcore? The old games also never required you to be online to save your progress.

ApocalypseShadow2379d ago (Edited 2379d ago )

They're not. Most have a hard time playing Souls games or complain about the difficulty of Cup Head. Games that we found hard but we pushed through in the past from contra, castlevania, ninja gaiden, mega man, double dragon,gunstar heroes, raiden,gradius, etc, they find impossible without hand holding, multiple saves and regenerative health.

Yes, most casual gamers are playing Madden, cod, etc. Or getting rewind functions, widened roads and weaker A.I. in the competitor's racing game. But love painting their cars artistically that have nothing to do with competitive racing. Or believe that a loud car means it's faster.

I still would have left in the other stuff for motor heads looking for it though. But Kaz will find out if his new direction is accepted or rejected soon enough.

RommyReigns2379d ago

Seeing the reaction to the Crash Bandicoot Trilogy remaster/remake is enough to explain how 'not as hardcore' the new generation is today.

81BX2379d ago

@Apocalypse Shadow
Don't be upset my dude. He's just saying you can't handle it.

bouzebbal2379d ago

change in the name but the content is still there.

WeAreLegion2379d ago (Edited 2379d ago )

Not true at all, Rommy.

The team screwed up the jumping physics and level geometry. The new Crash games are significantly harder than the originals because of this. I played them side by side.

If kids these days hated difficulty, the Souls games wouldn't be insanely popular.

Y'all are so out of touch.

LegoIsAwesome2379d ago

@moldybread

Ohhh sh*********t moldy at it again guys!! Someone give the guy attention.

Godmars2902379d ago

@Apocalypse Shadow:
More like as more of the mainstream consumer base gets in involved with gaming, the more gaming has to be dumb-downed because the mainstream don't understand it. Like adventure games taking on cinematic elements, with actual gaming elements becoming lost in the process, and soon "people" are asking why games can't be little more than movies with skippable game segments.

darthv722379d ago

PD has a long tradition of releasing two GT games per console generation since the PS1. Not only have they broken that tradition by calling this GT:Sport but it looks like it is broken even further by this being the ONLY GT game released for the PS4 generation. a real GT:7 will likely come out for the PS5.

As a long time GT fan, I am rather disappointed with the end result when you see how much time was put in. I will still get the game though as I do enjoy the GT games.

bow2yoda2379d ago

what he is saying is that the new generation wants everything done for them with a tablet or a phone. beyond that, the generation is the lazyest (in my opinion, not meant as an insult) in pretty much human history. i mean heck, when peoples cars break, most people elect to buy a new one so they dont have to "deal" with any issues. that means they go and buy a new or almost new car for ~$15000 when a repair would only cost them $150. i used to be a mechanic and a shop manager for about a decade. Heck the new generation throws money blindly at games before they are released and cannot figure out why the game sucked!!!
sorry for the rant but its sad that a great game gets nerfed because people dont want to learn.

rainslacker2379d ago

No, just not as knowlegdeable. Granted, I don't think most people fussed with the finer points of things like tire weight or spoiler angles, so removing them for the ignorant only really affects those who likes those features.

The rest of the nodding stuff was pretty easy to understand. Like turbo would make your car faster. The more expensive the better. See no reason for that to be removed if it was. Although I can see a problem with the mp focus making races uneven

Edito2378d ago

Are you really asking that? You are talking about a generation that buy a game don't do the campaign just go online, they use Micro transactions to buy goodies instead of earning the hard way... of course the new generation is as hardcore as the old ones...

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CorndogBurglar2379d ago (Edited 2379d ago )

The ridiculous part of this is that almost all racing games, including Gran Turismo games of the past, give short descriptions of what affect each customization option has on your car.

So this is kind of a dumb excuse because no one ever needed to have much mechanical know-how to customize their cars in these games. It was always kond of spelled out for you.

FITSniper2379d ago

Perhaps for things like camshafts and what not. But changing stuff like downforce and camber was not. You had to know what you were doing.

The_KELRaTH2379d ago

Its also worth noting that older racing games that offered lots of customization came with big paper manuals that you would use while testing different settings

rainslacker2379d ago

@fit

I recall a couple of the NASCAR races in 6 which were next to impossible to win without adjusting some of those things. But that's what Google is for.

RememberThe3572379d ago

I learned a ton from playing GT and most of that came from the test track. The small descriptions and trial and error were how I learned how to get the most out of my cars. This dumb down customization is pretty disappointing to me.

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TankCrossing2379d ago

I have no automotive know how, and the same was true 20 years ago. The tuning element was there for petrol heads, but the game was still fun for the rest of us.

I don't see much benefit to taking that element away from those people that enjoyed it. Levels the online playing field a bit I suppose?

bloop2379d ago

Yes, they could easily have just locked all tuning for competitive online races. I always enjoyed tinkering with all the settings to see what effect they had on the car. And I wouldn't claim to know much about full on tuning, but anything I did actually learn was from doing this tinkering in GT games!!

hellothere19772379d ago

the benefit is that the developers aren't wasting hundreds of man-hours and financial resources on a part of gameplay that they believe is only being utilized by a small section of the player base. this, in turn, allows them to have the programmers focus more time on framerate, resolution, modeling assets, and all the other goodies that most players focus on today. also, trimming unused sections does get games out in a timely matter.

bolimekurac2378d ago (Edited 2378d ago )

its ok though cause a sony dev did it so its no big deal. its only a issue when for other console games

no matter how stripped the game is excuses will be made defending it

hellothere19772379d ago

in their defense, they probably have access to more information than you do on what the players in general use and don't use. they obviously see the user-ship among gamers low enough to not waste development time and resources on this section of gameplay.

sometimes, they need to trim the fat to get a better product out in an economical manner.

trainsgofast2378d ago (Edited 2378d ago )

Sony Players are maybe too Dumb that's why they think that GT is a Better game than FORZA 7, that's why you can sell them a game that's only 1/2 done, that's why you can SELL THEM A GAME WITH 2D TREES, that's why you can sell them a 1800CB game, that's why you can sell a game like driveclub and they think it's a SIM and not a arcade game, that's why you can sell them a Cost of FIA Gran Turismo digital license at $300 per year, that's why "But the new users don’t have that knowledge” or they are maybe dumb,

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XiNatsuDragnel2380d ago

Certainly true but losing mode isn't the answer

giyopilam2379d ago

I'm taken by surprise that some one able to profit $10397 in four weeks on the computer .
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ProjectVulcan2379d ago

GT sport is a Gran Turismo game without a Gran Turismo mode.

For someone who has been a fan since day one, that's nuts

WePlayDirty2380d ago

Getting rid of mode for the sake of the casuals is never a good idea. The core gamers will always appreciate it. What needed to be done is make it more streamlined and ‘easy’ for those casuals to pick the game up, since GT Sport is now a racing game for everyone.. my 2 cents.

crazychris41242379d ago

It will be back by the end of the decade in GT7

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-Gespenst-2379d ago

Just explain stuff in the game. Easily done.

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Gran Turismo Sport Has Been Delisted From PS Store

Sony Interactive Entertainment has delisted Gran Turismo Sport from the PlayStation Store as of January 1, 2024.

ApocalypseShadow109d ago

The great digital future. Where games vanish. The benefits of digital just aren't enough over physical to every buy in 100 percent. Especially when my Atari games still work and can be played to this day over 40 years later. Some of these digital games don't even last a whole generation.

purple101109d ago

But in this case everyone who has it still has it

And they unlocked single player to be allowed to progress offline

ApocalypseShadow107d ago (Edited 107d ago )

But in the case of others, they can no longer can buy it or any delisted game. Just like online only games that get their servers turned off and there's no update for offline with bots.

If you like the idea of any digital game being delisted where it's no longer available at all, then you and others are fools. What's all that presentation bullshit guys like you spew?

There should be no reason any digital game should be removed. Ever.

Bathyj107d ago

Apocalypse no one likes it. But let's be clear here.

If you own the game, you still own it. All that's happening here is they are stopped selling it.

Why? I have no clue. But it's the exact same thing if your local best buy isn't stocking the disc anymore and Sony aren't making any more. Same thing, just in the digital realm.

If you want to complain about servers for an online game being shut down, go ahead. But that's a separate topic and can happen to any online game even with a physical disc.

fan_of_gaming107d ago (Edited 107d ago )

@Bathyj "But it's the exact same thing if your local best buy isn't stocking the disc anymore and Sony aren't making any more. Same thing, just in the digital realm."

It isn't the exact same thing at all. When a game gets a physical release, it is always available even if big-box retailers aren't selling it new anymore. For example, I can go on eBay today and buy a new & sealed copy of Transformers: Fall Of Cybertron for PS3, because it once had a physical release. However I cannot buy a copy of Transformers: Fall Of Cybertron for PS4 today, because it had a digital-only release and was delisted.

If Gran Turismo Sport had a digital-only release, it would be unavailable for anyone to buy ever again. But because it had a physical release, in 5 years someone that wants to play it can still acquire it.

Cacabunga106d ago

People should stand against digitalization

purple101106d ago (Edited 106d ago )

I have only brought one or two digital games in my life
Everything I buy is physical

Often from eBay in perfect condition.
Sometimes from a online shop in uk such as

365games
Shopto.net
Simplygames
Base.com

All, who will ship disk to your door on day of release, cheaper than buying from digital store.

Then I either keep, lend, or sell. My choice

No where, did I say I support digital. And yet someone even called me a fool,
Haha
Totally misunderstood, some would say, he’s the fool

With GtSport It ISNT being taken away from anyone who already owns it. So this has all got out of hand with people not even reading the article

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DigitallyAfflicted107d ago

Maybe this will make people realise the future of digital-only games

purple101107d ago

This one won’t though
Because it’s not de-listed and taken away from you
It’s just not on sale anymore and the multiplayer will be shut down soon I reckon. It released 2017 so it’s had a fair run of 5 years online multiplayer lobbies

DigitallyAfflicted107d ago

@Purple, but it could be taken away, like p.t. Demo was, as well is taken away from anyone who didn't purchase GTsport in a digital form and yes I know we can still buy disc version and it's not a big of a deal.

My point is that you can't own something if it's not physical, with digital-only content you pay for the right to download and use and possibly in the future there will be some laws regulating you rights to it…

blackblades107d ago

I mean y'all been whining about that since the ps3 era. To this day im still able to play all the games I payed for.

ApocalypseShadow107d ago (Edited 107d ago )

It won't. Fools like purple think that just because they can still download it now, that it's safe. I've bought multiple games on console and mobile that are no longer downloadable or function. Because the game was either delisted or since it was connected to the Internet, no longer works because the servers were shut down turning those games into coasters. With no update to be able to play some games offline with bots. They're gone.

He won't get it or care until it happens to him and some of his games are delisted and removed or don't work any more even if he "bought it "

EvertonFC107d ago (Edited 107d ago )

If you don't keep your old consoles, your physical disk will be useless too. Do you think console hardware or disk drives will be around in 20 years. Good luck with that.
I'm not saying it's right btw, just pointing out to the physical crowd that digital and physical are very alike when it comes to actually being able to play the games in the future like 20 years time.
When I'm in my care home, I don't expect to be able to play my old digital or physical collection as consoles won't be around or disk drives for playstation.
Unless your keeping the old consoles safe in the attic over time, nobody will be playing there old physical game collections.

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EvertonFC107d ago

If you bought a physical launch day copy of GTS you still won't be able to download any of the updates in 20 years when servers are off.
Plus there will be no such thing as a disk drive or a hardware box for that matter in 20 years unless you keep your old consoles.
My point is sadly your physical or digital copy won't work.

Barlos107d ago (Edited 107d ago )

I see this as the digital equivalent of physical games going out of print. They don't continue to make copies forever, at some point they will stop making it, usually when sales dry up and I guess for GT sport that happened some time ago. Also, in the digital world, storage space is not infinite. If a game is no longer selling, why would they waste space on keeping it available?

For those that already own the digital version, they will still have access to it.

frostypants107d ago

I generally agree, but GT Sport is primarily an online game. They probably have some reluctance to deal with the blowback of selling an online-oriented game that may not have active servers much longer. Admittedly that's a whole other issue in itself.

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Father__Merrin107d ago

Online based titles like this I wouldn't expect to last forever as the game has been updated iterations as in gt7

Same with if FIFA 20 was delisted as example there's update to game. If something like Uncharted collection was delisted then that's something that's bad

Agent75107d ago

You pay stupid money for digital games and DLC, then it goes missing. Who's laughing?

shinoff2183107d ago

Physical games for yet another win.

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Gran Turismo Sport End of Online Services

On January 31, 2024, at 06:00 UTC, the online services of the PlayStation®4-exclusive software “Gran Turismo Sport” will come to an end.

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shadowT207d ago (Edited 207d ago )

Time to get a PS5! New PS5 owners in the USA can currently claim a game for free, but GT7 is not part of this promotion.

purple101206d ago

GT sport was good. Gt7 is better.

For someone who was crap at racers (and still is) and only played kart racers with powerups, I can say GT sport and gt7 balance SIM/ arcade racing to perfection. Easy enough for anyone to play and not crash but with enough depth to master for years.

Totally different to need for speed / Forza handling where the cars feel 'floaty'.

The dualsense is just supreme with gt7 toi

badz149206d ago

So...will they enable offline saves now or what?

VariantAEC201d ago

From Gran-Turismo.com (the article liked above): "All existing cars and personalized Car Settings kept in Garage will be accessible. Gameplay progression required as normal to unlock additional cars and items."

So... yes, as far as I can tell you'll still be able to use all your collected and purchased cars and race on all the tracks in the game and unlock ones you might not already have access to. That's what I'm getting from the post, but time will tell if this actually comes to pass February 1st, 2024.

Agent75206d ago

After Turismo 4 on the PS2, the series was never the same. Although Turismo 4 wasn't a finished game and didn't play as good as Turismo 3. Turismo 5 on PS3 was a mess, Turismo 6 was Turismo 5 finished. Sport on PS4 was another mess, especially VR mode. Sort of back on track with Turismo 7, but so tiring as with the Forza series. Anyone remember the PSP version that had no championship mode? Turismo has always been average at best.

OmegaSoldati206d ago

Thats why i dont like online only games. Cant believe this, this game sold so well. You need to be a fanboy to keep supporting Sony after this. Bought this thinking that it would take 10 years for this. I'm lucky that there are enough classics and single players for a life time.

VariantAEC201d ago

Looks like PD has the potential to set the bar for closing out always online games.
Back when GT Sport launched you couldn't do anything when you couldn't access the servers, but it looks like GT Sport will retain access to SP race modes, custom races, VR, your full garage, and all tracks. This is much more than what was available at launch if offline.

We still will lose custom liveries and race suits, which is nonsense, but hey if you share them online now they will be in the cloud and available to you in GT7 if you're interested. Basically, we lose MP, but players keep everything we earned and whatever was paid for.

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GranTurismo World Series 2022 | World Finals | Nations Cup | Regional Finals

30 of the world's top GT drivers arrive in Monaco after a highly competitive 2022 Series. They must now navigate a regional qualifying group featuring drivers from their home regions for a place at the Grand Final.
12 drivers from each respective group including the top three from Asia-Oceania, Americas, and Europe/Middle East/Africa groups, and the top three from the Repechage will qualify for the Grand Final.

Agent75206d ago

After Turismo 4 on the PS2, the series was never the same. Although Turismo 4 wasn't a finished game and didn't play as good as Turismo 3. Turismo 5 on PS3 was a mess, Turismo 6 was Turismo 5 finished. Sport on PS4 was another mess, especially VR mode. Sort of back on track with Turismo 7, but so tiring as with the Forza series. Anyone remember the PSP version that had no championship mode? Turismo has always been average at best.