Xbox One X GPU Compute Power Close To GTX 1080, Its Memory/Bandwidth Close To Titan X Series: Dev

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NoPeace_Walker2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

Be_st console ever made. The memory/bandwidth speed of 326gb/sec, 12gb of GDDR5 ram, and 6tflop of GPU are all impressive parts of the X. A feat that is unprecedented on console. The only console truly worthy of pairing with my 4K HDR TV. 👍🏼

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Death2323d ago

Last I checked Forza was an exclusive and ran at 60 FPS. Tell us again why Xbox exclusives don’t count and why third party games that make up the bulk of both catalogs are irrelevant too. Sales of the games you believe are most important don’t back your claims. Most exclusives struggle to attract 2% of the available gamers yet you make it sound like they are the only games that matter. It’s very strange to see.

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fr0sty2323d ago

PUBG is exclusive, and it runs at 15-20fps... GPU isn't everything.

That said, nobody can pretend this isn't the most powerful console ever made. Accept it for what it is, and what it isn't.

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Razzer2323d ago

Last I checked the GTX 1060 can run Forza 7 at 4K/60.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

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thekhurg2323d ago

Everyone with a functional brain knows that this article and developer are complete horse crap.

But so is this junk website that N4G hasn't blacklisted yet for their continual click bait articles.

The Xbone X isn't anywhere near a GTX 1080. It's a ludicrous claim. Dynamic resolution at 30fps is not a symptom of a GTX 1080.

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NewMonday2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

@thekhurg

facepalmed at the headline, the XBoneX isn't even performing at GTX 1070 level.

anybody who games on PC knows you don't compare AMD TFLOPS with nVidia TFLOPS.

https://i.imgur.com/TgMYC4B...

in one of the comparisons a 5.8TF AMD card runs Crysis3 at 41FPS while a 5.8 nVidia card runs the same game at 69FPS

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sinspirit2323d ago

Why do people keep spewing "best hardware" nonsense? It's 2017, almost 2018, and the console launched at a $500 price tag. Of course, it's the strongest hardware on the market at the moment. That still doesn't make it good as a console. If they made it use a normal version of Windows or allow SteamOS then that would be an entirely different situation. But, they won't. As great as the hardware is for the money, it makes it even more obvious how screwed up Microsoft's priorities are. After leaving gamers struggling to find defining games for their console and reasons to chose it over the other, they instead just release a newer console, while already releasing limited edition controllers every other month, and that is after their sales were already so low they weren't reporting them anymore.

You won't be saying the same captain obvious statements about hardware when the new console generation starts in 2 years.

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soulsx2323d ago

Unreal01 - 30 fps is limited in games just because CPU is weak gpu is strong and console optimalisation make this gpu stronger than 6 tflop

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Mr_Luke2323d ago

More powerful console for now, yes. Best console? Not even close.

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fiveby92323d ago

I'll be buying a PS4 Pro. For a "Gaming" Console, it has the most critical factor. Games. Pro still looks amazing. Everyone I know plays on PS4 so Xbox holds very little for me other than some additional pixels.

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morganfell2322d ago

"Last I checked Forza was an exclusive and ran at 60 FPS. "

No. Just stop it. The game is on PC as well and not an exclusive. What's your fallback, it's being published by MS? It's on Windows? Really? Console exclusive, is that what you are going with?

You people have moved the goalposts so many times they are out of the stadium completely. You need a howitzer to kick a field goal.

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Death2322d ago

@Morgan,

Games playable via PSNow are still PlayStation exclusives or are they timed exclusives? An Xbox exclusive isn’t playable on PlayStation. PlayStation exclusives aren’t playable on Xbox. Let’s keep it simple.

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Aenea2322d ago

Doesn't every gen have a console that's the best ever made up to that point?? It's such an odd thing to focus on when everyone knows a more powerful one will eventually release...

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Asuka2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

Most people overlook

GeForce architecture != Amd architecture.

6tflop geforce card != 6tflop amd card.

Flops are nothing more than a theoretical measurement of compute performance for a given architecture. So when you here people throwing around those tflop numbers chances are they are not sure what they are comparing...

This is why you have cases where a 6Tflop amd gpu is preferred for certain gpgpu task over more expensive GeForce offerings. E.g. crypto mining. It comes down to use case.

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NewMonday2323d ago

yes

this is handy for future reference

https://i.imgur.com/TgMYC4B...

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Black_Rainbow2323d ago

Yup, same goes with CPU power.

darthv722322d ago

This is why i hate the comparison to Nvidia because both consoles use AMD so we should see comparisons to other AMD cards. Not Nvidia.

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Greg28012323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

@Death

Funny thing is the only exclusive you named was Forza 7.
And thats probably because Forza 7 is the only game that shows the power of the X at this moment.

3rd party games dont have a big difference with the Ps4 pro, maybe later. So for now exclusives need to show what the X can really do. And the problem with that is... there are no exclusives

zerocarnage2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

Yes and the X has only just been released, games take a hell of a long time to develop so I don't know why people are getting there nose dirty over something that's just plain logical. It happened this gen where for a couple of years you see no exclusives for both Sony's machine or xbox's, that being said ms would of had some devs working on games soon as they knew they was making scorpio/X.

All this is stupid to be honest because be it exclusives or not, it's common knowledge that it takes a while to take advantage of a new consoles power, all it is is the n4g fanboys throwing hissy fits and trying to find some pathetic excuse as to why the X shouldn't exist which is absoloute stupid..

Exclusives are a very small percentage compared to multiplats whether that number counts for how many of them are made or the success of them. To be honest I don't care that much for exclusives, sure it's nice that there out there but they are not the be it all and end all of gaming and they certainly don't run the software show. The fact that when exclusives are made that they are made and you still have an overwhelming choice of multplats to choose from where you know your guarenteed that there's more of them that are a success, really it all speaks for itself.

So anyone saying the X has no games, or no exclusives, you would have to be the dumbest moron on earth to make those kinds of statements and it just prooves that person is one type of person which is a blind jealous fanboy. You only have to buy an Xbox one, go to store and see how many games are on the store to choose from, there's all the multiplats released so far, all the exclusives so far, all the backwards compatibility releases from 360 and og Xbox not to mention the games in work that state they're not ready yet which are on going development.

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sinspirit2323d ago

@zerocarnage

Yes. But, the thing is.. They have high performance hardware now. It's not the same case anymore as it was for the XBox One not hitting 1080p even with some lower graphics settings. The hardware far outperforms all of that to make higher than 1080p while having higher graphics settings than before. It can do both. Yet, because they want 4K to be such a big marketing term, they settle for lower graphics settings and performance instead when it's still not ready. It's different when they put no 1st party effort in to show more than one game off, and don't have communications and developer relationships to show it off despite 3rd parties have been running XBox for themselves since 2010, when they stalled 1st party support, and they're at it again.

I don't understand what you mean by no exclusives for both consoles. Sony hasn't had this problem. Less hits than other years, of course. But, they've been delivering several good exclusives every year since launch.

Optimization is different now. The architecture is the same as PC. PS4 and XBox One are the same architecture so any developer not used to PC is now used to it. It's far easier to optimize these days, especially with more headroom by running a lighter OS. I would say this is more to blame on PUBG's devs for the recent flak on performance issues, but clearly MS isn't developing good enough tools and providing enough hands on support to ensure quality. I really can't believe how bad the input lag is.

Exclusives sell an insane amount, whether other 3rd parties are bigger or not. Even if someone hardly plays them, they are still bragging rights that make people want the platform they're on. It will definitely attract someone just because they are there over the competition. If they don't care for them, their friends probably do, and now they'll own it for their friends.

You must take it literal when people say it has no games. They mean that the consoles 1st party support is dismal since launch and with the new consoles launch. Few games have been released only for the console, many of which did not deliver, and they focused more on 3rd parties instead of their own studios. They revealed it like it was a new console, while showing no games for it. They took a while to talk about it again. Still treated it like a new console. It basically seems like they didn't even know what the plan was. It looks like it was meant to be like a new generation XBox with backwards compatibility rather than an "update" but because of how poor their own support has been it would just make no sense for the market.

"all the exclusives so far"
"the games in work that state they're not ready yet"

Look. They've released not too many highly acclaimed exclusives. People also buy a new console for new games. Backwards compatibility is fantastic but it's not a big selling point. As greatly desired as it is to gamers that actually go to gaming sites, it just isn't to general consumers that are looking to play new games on the new console.

"games take a hell of a long time to develop"

Good luck waiting 2-3 years for games not even ready to show yet by MS 1st party that most don't have high track records for quality, and they lost a few studios this gen, while growing further apart from and 2nd party deals.

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THC CELL2323d ago

Racing games are easy to make 60 fps and high res look at Wipeout

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DJStotty2323d ago

i guess you ignored all those 2x resolution difference comparisons between the xbox one x and the PS4 Pro huh?

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rpgenius4202322d ago

Gears of war 4 is pretty nice at 4k 60 fps.

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VariantAEC2320d ago

What we have on PC is hardware underutilization. This is a direct result of hardware market aerosolization.
Xbox One X looks impressive compared to Pro because the hardware is slightly better but also because Xbox One and S were both weaker than base model PS4s.
Games on PS4 clearly still punch well above their weight class as evidenced by games like GT Sport and Horizon Zero Dawn the former looks much better than the likes of PCARS2 AND FM7 even on much more capable PC hardware and in the case of GT we can compare completely different franchises directly as they use the same cars and real-world locations while Horizon is the console equivalent to the PC version of The Witcher 3.
Hardware underutilization is a real problem on PC but wasn't on Xbox One/S. Which brings me to first party titles on X. X sees what looks like a huge improvement in resolution framerate and visuals in aome games thanks to the massive gap in hardware capability between the two.
3rd party games look only slightly better on the X and often lose out in overall performance to PS4 Pro.... Not a great showing.

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DrumBeat2323d ago

Impressive console, despite how angry it makes Sony fanboys. Honestly though, Microsoft do need to bring on the games.

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Black_Rainbow2323d ago

People within this reply thread are attempting to argue about how it’s the most powerful console ‘ever’, etc.
No shit...did you expect the PS2 to be the most powerful console ever?
Every new console iteration is the most ‘powerful console ever’.

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butchertroll2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

First was close to 1060, now it's close to 1080. Next will be close to Titan V. Xbone fans believe in this crap, of course.

What a trash article

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DrumBeat2322d ago

Seems like it really impacted your life...

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CaptainN2322d ago

@Death -

"Most exclusives struggle to attract 2% of the available gamers yet you make it sound like they are the only games that matter"

Yeah, tell that to Nintendo, which completely blows this statement out of the water !!

As per Reggie:

"The lineup of Nintendo-published games also has fueled fueling Switch sales, Fils-Aime said. Three titles have been purchased by more than 50% of Switch owners: “The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild” — which won game of the year at the 2017 Game Awards — “Mario Kart 8 Deluxe,” and "Super Mario Odyssey." Another title, third-person shooter “Splatoon 2,” has been purchased by one in four Switch owners, he said. "

“Typically if you have a title where one out of five owners have bought a game, that’s strong,” Fils-Aime said. “That helps drive sell-through of the console.”

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theXtReMe12323d ago

If you take the bloat of Windows OS and its background services, like the X does, it does equal out. Of course, the CPU is much more powerful in most PCs... but, you cant argue with the results that some developers are getting with the X. Games that most thought could never run at 4K, like The Witcher 3, at PCs Ultra settings in most graphics effects. Im not downing PC, as obviously with enough money... you can make anything more powerful. Though, for $500 in its tiny form factor, you cant beat the X.

Everytime I play a game on the X, I am amazed at what Im seeing on the screen. Especially with HDR enabled on the games that use it. Seeing what we are on the X, I cant imagine what next gen games are going to look and play like. As I always say, its an awesome time to be a gamer.

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badz1492323d ago

"Games that most thought could never run at 4K, like The Witcher 3, at PCs Ultra settings in most graphics effects"

AT 30FPS! NOBODY in their right mind on PC will be playing on ultra setting and let their games running at 30fps!

combatcash2323d ago

Not true bro! 4K at max settings on pc, if it’s locked would be worth it for just about any game, ideally you want the 60 but in many cases pc gamers aren’t hitting 60 FPS, at 4K and ultra settings. If FPS was what mattered then they would compromise and drop the res. I would take 4K over 1080 p on my pc anytime, just saying if it’s playable

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badz1492323d ago

WTF? you've got your priority wrong! if your settings are too high and you don't achieve the 60fps, you lower your settings! what's the point of having very high to ultra settings but the framerate suffer? that's just dumb! I doubt you even game on PC!

"I would take 4K over 1080 p on my pc anytime, just saying if it’s playable" - LOL

1440p60fps >>> 4K30fps!

lets us all just play on Intel CPU then...4K with low fps but who cares...4K matters! /s

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Enjoigamin2322d ago

battlefield runs at 4k and 60fps but you guys just have to dis the xbox to feel good about yourself....when in reality no one gives a shit. But it's cool I know you just need to feel accepted on n4g.

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kevnb2323d ago

pubg shows what the console can do, and what it cant.

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AspiringProGenji2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

How many more indie devs will be asked about the GpU and eveyone say a different thing? Close to a 1080 now? Titan X? Ok Gamingbolt!

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Neonridr2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

they said memory bandwith was that of a Titan X, not that it performs like one.

bmf73642322d ago

Its a joke, too. GDDR5X has double the bandwidth of GDDR5. Even overclocking GDDR5 won't bring it to the stock speed of GD5X.

Neonridr2322d ago

Titan X has 336.5 GB/sec in terms of memory bandwith
Xbox One X has 326 GB/sec

that was the point of the statement.

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OpenGL2322d ago

And the Titan X is an old card, the current version of the Titan Xp and the $700 GTX 1080Ti have 484GB/s+

Neonridr2322d ago

@OpenGL - great.. but it's still fast. That is the point. over 100 GB/sec faster than the Pro.

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Gamist2dot02323d ago

No wonder indie devs delay their games. Gamingbolt kept bugging them with questions.

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Tsar4ever012323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

lol, nice one Gamist2dot0.

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Kryptix2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

Remember, it was a GTX 1070 months ago, not even lying:

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

Also, the key word is "compute power," that doesn't mean it's architecture will allow using that power in an efficient way like Nvidia cards. (DOOM on Switch was pretty impressive due to efficiency) AMD cards tend to have a lot of raw power that does better over time through driver updates, (not available on consoles and it's called FineWine Technology for those lost) but their power draw is rather high which causes a lot of temperature throttling, reducing speeds. This is why a lot of people suggest undervolting AMD cards to maintain a good consistent stability. 4 teraflop GTX 1060 beat the RX 480 which is a 5.8 teraflop card almost every time when they first released.

The truth is, Xbox One X is more equivalent to an RX 580, in between that and a Vega 56. I say this also because CPU throttling is a thing. You pair a 1080 with an i3, doesn't matter if that card is heavy duty, it won't go do well in keeping smooth frames. And if Xbox One X can't do 60fps 1080p in certain games, I highly even doubt it's even close to a Vega 56.

Reference: I have a PC with an RX 480 with 8gigs of dedicated video memory. Going from a 2 core G4560 with the same card to a 6 core Ryzen. I know how bad CPU throttling can be and that Xbox One X CPU is garbage. That goes for the PS4's CPU, too, not even gonna sugar coat it...stop dreaming. It will all fall into which devs can manage to really squeeze the most and use the architecture better. And truth be told, that talent isn't something easy to find, something Microsoft lacks in with their studios.

http://steamcommunity.com/i...

Aither2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

I was going to say the same exact thing. First we heard it was better than an RX 480, than it was close to an RX 580 which recently followed with it being the same as a GTX 1060, and now all of a sudden it is on par with a GTX 1080 or even Titan X!? Sorry, but I am calling bull on this article.

This is nothing but a ploy story probably paid by Microsoft to boost sales. Xbox One X can't even push 60FPS on PUBG with their top tier developers working on it, and they expect us to believe that the machine has a Titan X or even a GTX 1080 inside? That isn't even remotely plausible.

Maybe the Xbox One X has the equivalent of a GTX 1060, but to say it has the power of a GTX 1080 inside is nothing but a fanboyish story to put it bluntly.

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Neonridr2323d ago

you aren't reading it correctly. They are talking about individual aspects like compute units or memory bandwith. Those alone do not equal performance on par with either card they mentioned, only that certain aspects of the GPU are in line with other cards. It still performs more than likely in the 1060/1070 range somewhere

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rainslacker2322d ago

The memory bandwidth is comparable to the older Titan X cards.

He was outright wrong to imply that the X1X's GPU is anywhere close to the GTX1080. Not just in raw TF ratings, which I assume he's implying, but features available for the programmer to implement are very much in favor of the GTX1080.

Maybe he misspoke and meant to say a 1060, because that's actually much closer to what it is. The X1X can do a bit more in some places than the 1060, while the 1060 can do more in other places. Just part of the design choice MS made to customize their GPU, and overall, I feel they did the right customization for current game designs, and it won't be a slouch when the next gen hits since it doesn't look like we're going to see a major shift in software development paradigms come next gen, so it'll be more about pushing pixels and optimizing GPU compute than anything else.

It's worth pointing out that the memory bandwidth is more than sufficient for what the GPU is capable of, for the amount of memory available for data itself. Faster wouldn't hurt, but it'd be overkill more often than not, and significantly raise the price of the system. Memory bandwidth in the X1X won't be a determent to the capabilities of the system.

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Ashlen2323d ago

Haha, no...

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lelo2play2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

What the hell do devs understand about the XB1X's capability?
Fanboys understand more then devs of what the XB1X is capable... /s

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TheOptimist2323d ago

> Can run PUBG at barely 30 fps
> Sees headline

"Haha reacxxx please"

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Black0ut2323d ago

Right, because PUBG is known for its optimisation and brilliant benchmarks on the best PC builds you can buy... The game is straight trash.

Dont let me get in the way of your downplay agenda though dude.

thexmanone2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

Kinda like the way The Elder Scrolls V ran on the PS3 when it came out.

> Sees headline
http://community.eu.playsta...

"Haha reacxxx please"

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crazyCoconuts2323d ago

GTX 1080: 9 tflops
X1x: 6 tflops
Ps4 Pro: 4 tflops

X1x is about as close to gtx 1080 as a Pro is to it

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Death2323d ago

When 3=5...

Razzer2323d ago

sigh.....as a Pro is to X1X is what he is saying.

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Gaming_Cousin2323d ago

Death go to sleep

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Death2323d ago

@Razzer,

Except that isn’t what he’s saying...

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dreue2323d ago

im sorry but mats is not your side,6 to 9 =3
4 to 6 = 2

you see what i did there?

kevnb2322d ago

ya, but its really a gross oversimplification using tflops like that.

crazyCoconuts2322d ago

Sure but you gotta use something. I have a GTX 1080 that runs shadow of war ultra settings locked 2160p with framerates always north of 40fps. GOW4 ultra locked 2160 is even better, often hitting 60fps. Easily 30% better framerates when compared to DF's published numbers for XB1x. For the price xb1x is incredible though, don't get me wrong...

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XiNatsuDragnel2323d ago

Smoke weed everyday...

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DeadSilence2323d ago

Hahahaha yeah Xbox os more than powerful than a 1200€ card Lmao

Gamingbolt 😂😂😂 28514;😂😂

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zb1ftw7772323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

PC graphics card are bloated in price due to cryptomining.

Didn't you know that?

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DrJones2323d ago

No. I didn't know that

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TheColbertinator2323d ago

All glory to the X

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NoPeace_Walker2323d ago

A monster of a console. 👍🏼

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Ricegum2323d ago

Lol. Please stop 😂😂

2pacalypsenow2323d ago

Yeah idk about that.

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PCgamer982323d ago

Yet it can't run gta v in 60 fps.

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fathertime44642323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

GTA 5 isn't even enhanced so how would you like it to get to 60 when it's locked at 30?
No much you dont

fathertime44642323d ago

The disagrees are cute. Especially when I stated a simple fact

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PCgamer982323d ago

So all that power they're bragging about yet most games still ran 30fps. Lol!

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fathertime44642323d ago

Lmao yes. It's a 30 fps game on base x1, it hasn't been enhanced so it's still 30. If it does get enhanced it may still be.
Well it's able to do 4k 60 for games as they are. Developers are increasing texture quality, lighting, etc to ultra and lowering frames. If GTA 5 was just moved to 4k I'm pretty sure it would get to 60.
Also what can your pro do? Oh base system quality at lower half of what x texture quality.
Your obviously jealous and uniformed

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zb1ftw7772323d ago

Why does gears of war have better textures on the xb1x than on PC?

When you discover the answer, go delete your above post.

You'll realise you have egg on your face.

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Enjoigamin2322d ago

Yet it runs battlefield at 4k 60fps....you guys are so so sad

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Codedan2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

I love how people who know nothing about computer architecture are disagreeing with game developers who do this as their job while people commenting get information off articles.

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Ricegum2323d ago

Regardless of what this developer is trying to say, it's clearly no where near as capable as a GTX 1080, even my grandma could see that.

chiefJohn1172323d ago

DF compared it's performance to a 1070 and a 1080 and it out performed the 1070. (Elda already knew this though)
It's running most games at 4k exclusives have been 4k 60fps* (SP, mp too if the base xb version was 60fps see Halo , gears and forza)

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Elda2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

Then all 95 % of games should be running fabulously in native 4k 30 to 60 fps without a hitch.

rainslacker2323d ago

OK. I'm a developer who writes tools which get put into game engines to make things work.

So, am I OK to listen to?

I say that the actual bandwidth is the same as a 1080, actually a bit less but whatever, but actual real world results don't actually achieve what a 1080 can. This is due to the shared memory structure which causes a bit of a clash from the memory controller. The difference is not really that discernible with current game designs though. X1X has better burst cycles however, due to the same system controller which can be programmed, and when they can be utilized effectively, it does allow for some nice enhancements. Unfortunately, they aren't consistent, and not suitable for persistent optimization.

That being said, a GTX1080's compute power is close to 9TFlops. I'm not sure one needs to be a developer to understand that 6TF is not close to 9TFlops. We're talking about a 50% power gain for the GTX1080. If that's close, then we can say that the PS4P is close to the X1X, but no Xbox fan boy would say that.

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Obscure_Observer2323d ago

@rainslacker

"If that's close, then we can say that the PS4P is close to the X1X, but no Xbox fan boy would say that."

YOU have been saying that PS4P is close to the X1X since the Scorpio announcement. And how things turn out? 1440p vs 2160p? Checkerboard 4K vs Native 4K? How "close" is that? And don´t even get me started at better textures quality, better shadows, lightinhg, LOD, draw distance, AA solution and so on...

You said alot of bs about this console and i glad to see people like you and Aenea eating crow now.

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Codedan2322d ago (Edited 2322d ago )

I am not saying it beats them in power, however it is most likely really close on a well optimized game. It is definitely close to a 1080. If you knew computer architecture you wouldn’t be talking about Teraflops because they are not a real representation of computing power number one. Also, consoles are more specifically engineered for one device which is a huge benefit that allows develops to use more of a specific GPU, and CPU rather than trying to make everything compatible. This advantage allows you do more specific multithreading, and not worry as much about bottlenecking. 1080 also has to be utilized by the computer in the background for certain tasks, and so does the CPU on a computer, this takes some of those “teraflops” away. You might develop some games, but I have a computer science degree which taught more more about system architecture from the bottom up.

rainslacker2322d ago

@Obscure

I've never said the power was close. I said the perceived differences between the two versions aren't going to be that apparent to the average person most of the time. Using numbers, we can say that the power is evident, but the actual comparisons don't show a 50% improvement for the end user to see most of the time. I even highly doubt that the people on here that go on about DF analysis would even notice a 50% difference, because more often than not, DF has to break out the specialized tools to actually illustrate the difference.

I never said the console was BS. I said the idea of mid-gens was flawed. This is true for both Sony and MS, and that hasn't changed, as I still say the PS4P isn't worth it, and I still believe the X1X isn't worth it. Not because of the power, but the lack of implementation by devs to utilize it properly. The same thing I've been saying would happen more often than not since before the mid-gens started.

You're trying to say I'm hypocritical, but I haven't changed my opinions on the mid-gen paradigm, and everything I've said has pretty much become reality. X1X is still new to the market though, so it has more time to prove me wrong. I don't see it happening. There will be some instances where it will, but not across the board.

Checkerboard is native 4K. It's done before output from the frame buffer. That is what constitutes native 4K. However, since Xbox fans wanted to use the term contextually, I started using it that way too, because I found it pointless to actually explain that over and over again.

The rest of the stuff you mention about what it can do better is all down to developer implementation, and I never said that the X1X couldn't do some of those things better.

You also convienantly ignore the fact that I have actually said that the X1X is one of the finest console designs in history. It's efficient, well thought out, and very capable by today's standards. That doesn't change the fact that most of the time, that isn't going to show that much difference between the PS4P and X1X.

I still have yet to have to eat crow on the matter, because despite your belief and insistence, I have not been wrong. You really want me to eat crow, because you take every opportunity to try and say I should.

It's also nice of you to ignore every technical fact that I have said in my comment, which is absolutely true and verifiable, while you also don't put the quote into context of the OP that I responded to, because the difference between a PS4P and X1X, and an X1X and GTX1080 is 50% for each of them. The difference is is that the 1080 will most certainly show a marked improvement over the X1X because 9TB is beyond the threshhold needed for good 4K renders.

rainslacker2322d ago

@Codedan

I know plenty about GPU's and computer architecture. It's what I do. I don't know every detail about every card, because it's not important for me to know, but I'm well aware of how systems are structured, how data is processed and transferred between the different parts, what the numbers mean, and more importantly, the difference between various available hardware and how to implement the hardware code for compile/run time for simpler use by the developers themselves.

Sure, TF are not a measure of overall system performance....although it technically is one measurement....but no matter what the system does, the actual performance of the machine will not go beyond the theoretical limit. 6TF and 9TF are not close in terms of GPU perfomance. A 9TF GPU would have to be in a terribly designed system for a 6TF to show similar or better results. It would require a lot of user monkeying to make a modern PC run it's GPU so poorly.

I uderstand the concept of console efficiency, and being able to get more out of it than a comparable PC...or even a PC that may be better. But in no way can a console make up a 50% power difference in the GPU at render time, because the GPU itself still can't achieve 9TF in the console. So, unless the GPU had absolute sh*t drivers or had a faulty memory bus/chips on the PC, it's not going to happen.

This isn't to say that a well optimized game on console can't look or perform better than an unoptimized one on PC, but the reverse is always true, and if you give a similar level of optimization between the same game on the two, you'll see much more impressive results on the PC with a 9TF GPU. You don't usually see this level of optimization on PC though due to the higher level code that is required to maximize the market available that can run the game. Given similar GPU power, you're likely to see more performance and better graphics on a console with similarly optimized games however.

My resume since we're sharing

I have three computer science degrees(IT Security and software engineering)(both bachelors), an computer engineering degree(masters), a degree in mathematics(associates), and a game development degree(associates). I got into game development because I love games and love the challenge of what game engineering has to offer. I now write tools which every system uses to produce graphics, as well as the tools to port between systems. I'm all for spirited debate of hardware set ups, but not in where one tries to assert they're right without backing up their arguments beyond vague references to what is known by the layman.

My name appears in the credits of more games than this guys either through direct involvement, or through the the company I work for You could say I might have developed some games. I can say that the average software engineer are not that aware of the hardware intricacies because most do not work on that level. Even going into game development, I was a rarity because of the number of degrees I have in various computer sciences that make up the overall engineering that goes into game development, and eventually that landed me in a position that writes code directly related to hardware and eventual user interaction. The fact that you would say that a software engineer likely knows this stuff on the same level as you might just calls into question your credentials.

balance2theforce2322d ago (Edited 2322d ago )

"OK. I'm a developer who writes tools which get put into game engines to make things work.

So, am I OK to listen to?"

Nope, and going to stop right there. As simply put, any objective poster here has been able to bear witness to your super sony bias time and time again posted here in plain black and white.

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Obscure_Obseever

Exactly some of what I was getting at and well said. I just wasn't going to go into all the post history and comments that we seen over the years showing this cat's ps slant. Doesn't matter how qualified you are (or think you are) if there's no real difference between you or any other sony fanboy here shaking his pom poms for their preferred box.

rainslacker2322d ago (Edited 2322d ago )

Perhaps you can explain how my preference for Sony somehow makes what I said wrong?

Yes, I prefer Sony. I still presented facts and backed them up. If one wants to go and verify everything I said, or do so to refute it, feel free. I look forward to something more substantial than trying to discredit my argument because you perceive me as a Sony fan boy.

What the developer said is wrong. What the OP I replied to said didn't refute or support the actual topic at hand. But if he is going to say only a developer can understand, then I'll give him a response from a developer.

You'll find more often than not, I don't pull out console preference when it comes to technical facts or details. My console preference is completely moot to anything I said. Prove what I said was false, instead of trying to paint me as a fan boy. You have the power to do so assuming I'm wrong. The information is out there through google. Do something productive if you really want to discredit me in any place where it matters. Maybe you'll learn something in the process and cease living in your little bubble where you simply can't be wrong.

You don't need to go back through my comment history. I've already explained to Obscure....once again...why nothing I have said in the past is hypocritical to what I'm saying now. He just wants me to be wrong though, because if I say something wrong once, it means I'm somehow less credible, despite the fact that most of the stuff he says is just outright wrong or based on console preference. He can't even address why my comment is right or wrong either, nor will he even keep it on topic and say how everything he cites somehow puts the X1X's GPU on par with the GTX1080. But you'll defend him, but ignore someone who can explain in detail why this dev is wrong because of a console preference? Who's really the lesser person here? This cat, or someone like you who doesn't care about learning anything that goes against your own console preference. Obscure accuses me of hypocrisy, you exhibit it in one comment. Well done.

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Vegamyster2323d ago

You don't have to be an expert in a subject like this to know if a devs stretching the truth. There is currently no proof that the X Gpu is remotely close to a GTX 1080 in performance, look at any game that Digital Foundry has tested then compare that to 1080 benchmarks.

yeahokwhatever2322d ago

exactly. plus, thats including the magical console optimizations that make consoles better than PCs that I'm always hearing about. youd think if the console had parts that were as fast as PC parts then it would perform FASTER than a PC. I'm sorry guys, barely hitting 30fps in PUBG with dips as low as 4 does not make a good case for the XB1X being anywhere near a 1080.

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Razzer2323d ago

None of this is necessary. The benchmarks are on youtube for all to see. Xbox One X is NOT close to 1080. It just isn't.

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yeahokwhatever2322d ago

not by a long shot.

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LP-Eleven2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

It's Maxwell's Titan X from 2015. Not the one from last year. And it's still a ways behind the 1080 for compute. It has comparable framerates in some games, however, but the 1080 is still steps ahead. Not even getting into the TF discussion, as most console gamers don't get that they hardly tell a strong story of real world capability.

Considering (as I've noted and is also noted in the article) a direct 1:1 comparison is virtually impossible, and compromises would need to be made for the X to even be in the same discussion as a 1080 or, comically, a Titan X, this is just Gamingbolt continuing to do everything they can to get Xbox gamers to feel that they own something more capable than it is. Can't fully blame the zealots for believing the hyperbole, in that regard.

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rainslacker2323d ago

Direct comparisons from console to PC have never been possible.

But compute power of the GPU is a pretty consistent measurement, and a PC or console will be able to achieve pretty much the same with the same amount of power. The only thing that would change is if special functions are added in which make something things run better.

Memory bandwidth is all theoretical though. Memory having the capability to run at a certain speed doesn't mean it will, or that it even would be taken advantage of. There are way too many factors involved in getting data from memory to the processor for it to be more than a theoretical number showing potential, but never real world results.

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Obscure_Observer2323d ago

PS4 Pro´s lack of memory bandwidth is pretty much what´s preventing Naughty Dog from achieve resolutions above 1440p for Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy.

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LP-Eleven2323d ago

@ Obscure_Observer: Irrelevant when Naughty Dog produces visuals yet to be seen on any other console. Such as The Last Of Us Part II.

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Razzer2323d ago

lol....yeah, show me a game on X1X that looks as good as Uncharted: TLL or HZD. Obscure has his head so far stuck up into resolutions that he doesn't even look at the damn games anymore.

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rainslacker2322d ago

The memory bandwidth in the PS4 is capable of delivering the textures required in time for 4K resolution. It doesn't require the fastest memory available to get to 4K. It's a matter of how much data has to be transferred, and for what the PS4 has available it's sufficient.

The GPU itself being only 4TF means it's not going to be able to deliver 4K resolution with high enough details, so using the less resource intensive 1440(or whatever) then using checkerboarding delivers a better picture because they don't need to sacrifice image quality to get to a certain resolution. It's a trade off, but it doesn't have anything to do with memory bandwidth, as evidenced by the fact that 4K is possible when less data is needed to render the image.

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sk8ofmnd2323d ago

And why they went with the jaguar cpu bogs my mind... Almost like having a twin turbo station wagon 😊

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Skankinruby2323d ago

And yet it runs PUBG at how many fps??

yeahokwhatever2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

no crap. "As fast as a 1080 in your mind, performs like a 1060 in real life." <- Except I think a 1060 can play PUBG better than a 1X. (shrug)

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Razzer2323d ago

About the same as a 1060 actually.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

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rainslacker2323d ago

Because it's TFlops rating is actually much closer to a 1060 than it is to a 1080. The memory is pretty much the same though.

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LostInSpaceCamp2323d ago

Oh good this thread again

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Tazzy2323d ago

Yeah and Switch can run games that look as good as Pixar movies first it was compared to a 1070 now a 1080 theres no way these people keep feeding bullshit I mean a 1080 would run PUBG with no trouble.

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MrZweistein2323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

That is utter bullshit (as Gamingbolt articles are most of the time anyway). Coming from someone with Xbox preference! Yes the memory bandwidth is beyond 99% of PC owners have today in their GPUs but that doesn't make it as capable like a GTX 1080 which has additional of 2.8 TF available.

That said the X1X is still a great piece of tech with a very good value!

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Elda2323d ago

PUBG says yeah ok....lol.

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SkippyPaccino2323d ago

Lmao!

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King_Lothric2323d ago

Ironic that the Switch is so underpowered and yet having more success than the Xbox.

Power is not everything. A console needs a soul.

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bluefox7552323d ago (Edited 2323d ago )

No...it isn't, lol. Not even close. In fact, it's not even as powerful as a 1070. This is just a blatant lie, and it's easily verifiable.

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chiefJohn1172323d ago

Digital foundry disagrees lol

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masterfox2323d ago

I'm sorry but that's the dumbest comment I have read probably in the whole year!! LOL.

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Trueflames2323d ago

A true beast enough to keep us happy till the next gen xbox

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NoPeace_Walker2323d ago

🦁👍🏼

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MecheSlays2323d ago

It’s just the cpu holding it back a little depending on the game

Segata2323d ago

Yet the only X1 selling, as well as PS4, is the X1 that powers a Nintendo tablet. Because of games. Article after article and MS beating their chest how powerful this thing is..ok great but that's not as compelling as a great library of games.

Ju2323d ago

Yep. Gamingbolt. Can't go wrong, lately.

chiefJohn1172323d ago

Digital foundry already confirmed this. It performed better than a 1070 but worse than a 1080. I consider it the power of a 1075.

Lol why can't Xbox haters/ps fanboys accept the power of the X? It's a beast y'all just accept it.

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SCW19822323d ago

Oh no, now we are gonna have people using this stupid comment to try to think it’s on par with a 1070 or 1080. It’s a 1060 or 580 comparison at best.

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Sm00thNinja2323d ago

Man you armchair N4G DEVS KNOW EVERYTHING WHY AREN'T YOU MAKING GAMES?!?

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yeahokwhatever2322d ago

some of us do...

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Sm00thNinja2321d ago

Yeahokwhatever your name says it all

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northpaws2323d ago

Love how some people paid $500 x 2 in one gen just so they can finally leave 720p behind and thought they got the best deal ever... still ended up with a product that the company behind has no passions to create any more games for it.

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spoonard2323d ago

It's actually closer to a 1060...but you know, whatever. Facts don't matter when you are just trying to feed people what they want to hear.

Einhander19712323d ago

If exclusives don't matter, what game won game of the year? BOTW yes they do matter. Your delusional thinking you have the best just because of tech spec. And before u start if the Xbox had lots of great games I would have had one by now, truth is it doesn't unfortunately.

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Father__Merrin2323d ago

Seems like another pubg damage limitation thread

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corroios2323d ago

Of course it is, Just go play pubg on a PC with a 1080 GPU..... not going to talk about powered with a TITAN...

Just go watch the new DF video. The diferences are huge...

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corroios2323d ago

Damage control news.... Lol. GTX 1080, Titan.... OMG.

I really hope that next gen console got the power combo equal to CPU 1080 GTX or even TITAN, because with something with 10 to 12 teraflops would be out of this world at 399. And that the crap Jag cpu is forgotten...

I think the biggest question will be the CPU, the biggest problem this gen and not the GPU.

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Father__Merrin2323d ago

The CPU choice is fine for general games. But CPU titles like mmo style games with lots of players will struggle

corroios2323d ago

Lol. CPU of this consoles are total crap. Everybody knows that. A average CPU is 200 to 300% more powerfull then the ones on this gen consoles.

Dude, the CELL is more powerfull then the jag CPU on consoles....

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yeahokwhatever2322d ago

to be fair, the cell is fast AF

rainslacker2322d ago (Edited 2322d ago )

It can work for MMO's, or high user count games. It just the game has to be designed in a way that can utilize the processor efficiently. Unfortunately, most ports keep the PC code, which has the OS handle a lot of that, which is terribly inefficient for a console. it works fine in a PC most of the time as the OS can manage that data, but consoles aren't designed to handle that OS data in the same manner, and pre-processing frame data before sending to the GPU isn't always the best way to handle this structure on consoles.

Granted, fixing this for consoles requires basically designing a new game on a base level, which is quite a bit of work. They can optimize it by converting some of the code managed by higher level code to more efficient low level code designed around the system, which wouldn't require a total redesign, but wouldn't achieve the best results possible. It likely could make the game good enough though.

@corroios

The CELL is faster, but it actually couldn't handle the data required here with as much efficiency. The CELL was well suited and extremely fast for things like graphics or physics, but net code is much different in structure. The CELL was also a single core processor, so it may struggle with multi-threaded code which we see nowadays. Most of what made the CELL so fast has now been integrated into the GPU, and GPU compute is expected.

However, the CELL was capable of handling large player counts, as witnessed in MAG. But that game was designed around the processor itself.

cd12322d ago

Some sort of Zen core would be the obvious choice for CPU in the next generation of consoles, i think Zen2 is due out 2019 - along with 60fps as standard again hopefully.

FyBy2323d ago

Oh yeah.XOXs 6TF is close to 1080s 8,9TF. Titan X is old card but has 336GB/s. To be fair, XOX has power close to 1070 and bandwidth like 1080.

Other thing is optimalization, which can be done for XOX games. According to console first party titles (especially sony), highly optimalized XOX game should perform like PC game on 1080 Ti.

MADGameR2323d ago

When you are so sure thats a fact

>>> see PUBG

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corroios2323d ago

Is dreaming on the clouds. «The Xbox X perform like a PC with a 1080TI».

lets see a combo jag CPU with rx580 being on the level of a modern CPU with a 1080TI

This after pubg from PC gaming running like crap and very fair away in term of settings from the PC Version, like DF is showing in today video...

cabbitwithscissors2323d ago

Presenting the All New Bestest ever No competition, top of the line, numero uno Xbox One X, the latest Dreamcast machine to hit the market. /s

mcstorm2323d ago

Wow just wow at all above. For years fan boys have said how under powered the xbox one is now the xbox x is more powerful than the X its now not powerful enough. Come one go and play the games you like on the console you like a good game is a good game no matter how good the graphics are or how amazing it looks and its the same for a bad game.

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dreue2323d ago

Again this talk? it is like xbox x is a new generation of console lol....even if developers says this of course in reality it is way different,and we all know that xbox x is the most powerful console out,but close to a titan lol...even to a 1080 ahahhaha

Zabatsu2323d ago

No it doesn't.

Mr_Luke2323d ago

Close to a 1080? Memory brandwidth close to a Titan X series?
Oh come on, isn't it a bit earlier for April's fools? :D We're still in December!

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dreue2323d ago

again what i dont get is this all talk and no talk about new games ,new ips....lol come is now MS giving bonus to those developers as christmas gifts to talk about the X? it is like xbox one is not part of this generation any more....and i think this approach is really bad from MS,but well a lot of fan boys like it so...ya ....i will stick with ps4 and pc....and probably getting Nintendo and PsVR

Jon_Targaryen2323d ago

I'm going to be "that guy" now.... Too bad it doesnt have any games.

TheMuffDiver2322d ago

HA HA i have an X and understand that your comment is funny and true!!!

zb1ftw7772323d ago

BEAST !!!!!

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Black_Rainbow2323d ago

Close to a 1080?! A Titan?! Ha!
The machine can’t even run PUBG or ARK even close to what lesser components on PC can run.
Enough with this console/PC parity fantasy people...

woozy2323d ago

All this power talks does not matter when there's lack of games that can't prove that power.

seanpitt232323d ago

This explains why is runs at 4fps to 30 fps on player unknown battle grounds.

PrinterMan2323d ago

Doubt it. Plus, I have now heard how the GPU power is like this GPU then that GPU. Show me games that I want to play. Power does not equal a good game. MS, stop all the BS and deliver once in a while please.

PrinterMan2323d ago

Rockfish Games CEO and co-founder Michael Schade also stated to us that the GPU is very close to a GTX 1060.

C'mon guys! which is it??? smfh.

Shineon2322d ago

What are the Ps4 Pro specs?

PrinterMan2322d ago

What does that have to do with this article?

bmf73642322d ago

Ahahaha. AHAHAHAHAHAHA.

It's been proven the Xbox One X's GPU is close to the RX 580 in spec. Which is in turn, close to the GTX 1060 6GB

yeahokwhatever2322d ago

comparing anything to a 1060 without stating if its the 6gb or the 3gb version isnt super helpful. those two cards are completely different in terms of performance. i wish we would just stick to AMD similarities since the XBOX is using an AMD part.

OoglyBoogly2322d ago

I'm so sick of these articles. Every time the X1X seems to magically get more powerful. First it started as a mystery...then it was "as powerful as a GTX 1070!"...then games started coming out and we saw what was more on-par with the GTX 1060 but NOW we're somehow at GTX 1080 levels?!

Good god...stop moving the goal post. It's like the articles that say unsubstantiated bullshit like "The X1X is more powerful than most gaming PCs!" all while failing to explain WHAT A "GAMING" PC IS! No shit it's faster than most laptop as that's what "most" people game on.

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GameHead852322d ago

"Its Memory/Bandwidth Close To Titan X Series" Bullshit.

OpenGL2322d ago

Maybe the old Titan X from a few generations ago, current Titan Xp and 1080Ti have ~500GB/s of memory bandwidth. They also have way more advanced delta color compression so the gap is actually even larger than the raw numbers would indicate. A 1060 has only 75% of the bandwidth of an RX 480/580 and is just as fast because Nvidia's color compression is superior.

OoglyBoogly2321d ago

Yeah these articles and comments by people like like this dev really are coming out of their ass. The goal post for the X1X keeps changing so much. First we were told it was as fast as a GTX 1070, then it came out and we were seeing almost more GTX 1060 numbers, BUT NOW we're somehow at GTX 1080 levels?

The hell? These people keep exaggerating all this I believe. Then they talk power as if the X1X is even, honestly, worth talking about. Considering that it DOESN'T do 4K and 60fps in all it's games...some even being sub-4K and 30fps...then who cares what it compares too when it can't even do one thing consistently.

With my GTX 1080 I can tell you right now I can run all games at 4K consistently. The X1X can't so the whole "Xbox better than GTX 1080 blah blah bs bs bs" clearly doesn't matter.

Hell, I'm sure you can find something the PS4 Pro does better than the X1X...does it make it better or comparable now?

OpenGL2321d ago

Yeah, I use an overclocked 1080Ti on a 4K G-Sync display and I am able to do most games at 4K60 at max or near max settings. These new "4K" consoles can't even consistently provide 4K30, something that a regular 1080 or even a 1070 would easily do with better visual settings than offered on console, making the claim of being as powerful dubious.

Whatever power the X does have, it will never be fully utilized as games still have to run on the regular Xbox One.

kevnb2322d ago

the xbox one x has a a pimped out rx 580, and thats what it performs like.

synistatha12322d ago

Hey xbox guys still waiting on a list of 5 aaa games only on xbox thats not halo gears or forza that would make me buy a xbox1 let alone 500 on a 1x

CaptainN2322d ago (Edited 2322d ago )

The system is definitely a beast spec wise, but without the content to back it up....is it truly worth it? They really should have just made this an entirely new system and launched with a ton of exclusives. It was a chance to reboot like Nintendo did,coming from Wii-U to Switch. To me, it was a blown opportunity to truly move forward, because now it will be held back by having to have the same games as other versions of X-Box.

richyque2322d ago

Sony shows us games and different experiences while the xbox team beats a dead horse and talks abot the same stuff they been bragging about for the past 2 years and still no games to show .

frostypants2322d ago (Edited 2322d ago )

No it's not. This is a dead horse topic. The thing would cost $600-700 if this were true, and nothing we've seen in regards to performance says otherwise either. Show us the games running at GTX 1080-level performance. There are none.

OoglyBoogly2321d ago

Exactly. I can run all the latest and greatest games at native 4K and MAX settings at 30fps and higher on my GTX 1080. That's something the X1X doesn't come close to doing so any comparison to a GTX 1080 is pointless.

quent2322d ago

WORDS

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Pantz2322d ago

I imagine you will need a Titan V if you want to beat da X.

Masta Kaos2322d ago

LMAO

dolfa2322d ago

its compute power is enough to get you 20 FPS in PUBG what else u want in your life

Jules__Badguy2322d ago

I'd love to have one. I already have a PS4 Pro, Switch, Wii U and PC with 1080 Ti. More stuff the merrier I say.

HeyNowChillax2322d ago (Edited 2322d ago )

It's a great piece of hardware on paper but the CPU and parity keeps the beast on leash. I would have loved to see what X1X could have been with at least an I3+ processor to give us better than 30fps for anything outside a track or corridor.