So Septic, where’s your outrage if MS denying crossplay, between PC players, with Steam? What about how they only put their games on the Windows Store? They force people to make a new account in order to play MS titles, and they can’t even play the shared ones with their friends on Steam. Gamers data also can’t transfer over between Windows and Steam. That’s supposed to be anti-consumer, isn’t it?

It's really sad when your company is more closed off than Apple.

@DialgaMarine,

Off the top ropes with an atomic elbow smash. Epic post and undeniable truth.

@UltraNova

It isn't a problem for Sony now because they were already dominating before this started to become a big discussion. But it doesn't look good for them. If Microsoft happens to announce a new me new exclusives for the next console, people could change their minds. Online gaming is growing and is much bigger than last gen. I still think Fortnite may cause Sony to change their policy.

@iceman

Funny how he became so passionate about "speaking truth" around the time MS made the issue a public relations talking point. Sony does not lock free to play behind a paywall like Xbox. Epic can access their greater user base and block them out of licensing fees for add-on sales they would have otherwise received by siphoning those customers off to a competing console, which would profit instead from those purchases. MS has less to lose and more to gain, having the smaller player pool, and unlike Sony they've already held the F2P game itself "hostage" to sell gold accounts. I'm sure Epic could easily transfer purchases from a locked account to a new one if they really wanted.

You seem like a really intelligent person. Sometimes though you really come off as anti Sony. I'm not saying I wouldn't love cross play, but where was all the backlash last gen for the Xbox camp? I'm not saying there wasn't any, but I don't remember even a fraction as much. Further more, all companies deny publishers certain things. Like rocket league, why can't I use my live ID login on my switch? I had an Xbox account, but then I wanted to play it on my switch away from the house. So why can't I if ms and Nintendo are so Gung ho for cross play? I know why, but do you. Here's a hint, it's about money.

"Its high time we got over this and moved on. Lets compare and fight over what actually matters, games."

You're missing the point. This is not about crossplay. It's about a free to play game where Sony is blocking you from playing that account on another console even if that account was not created on PSN. You also don't have to purchase any content and Sony is still blocking it. They just don't want you to use your Epic account if it has ever been connected to PSN. It's Sony's version of DRM which is ironic seeing how they made a joke about used games and DRM on the original plans of the Xbox One at the beginning of this generation.

So yes, let's do talk about games, in this case it's a game called Fortnite and the continued games Sony is playing. Only the most loyal Sony fan would support such a move.

"The fact alone you bring up EA/Activision's blatant money squeezing tacticts in the same vein as Sony not allowing cross platform gaming in certain titles is disgusting and diluted on your part and shows the depths you will sink to prove others wrong even when you far exceed logic and fact boundaries. "

This is such a stupid comment. "Disgusting and diluted?" Goes to show that you don't have the intellectual capacity to debate this a in a proper manner and that your devotion to all things Sony is scary.

@Dialga

"So Septic, where’s your outrage if MS denying crossplay, between PC players, with Steam? What about how they only put their games on the Windows Store? They force people to make a new account in order to play MS titles, "

"Forcing" players to make an account with them so that they can play MS titles? That's your argument of an anti-consumer practice? Talk about grasping with straws.

MS should allow xplay with Steam users but you're telling me they cant even feature their games in their own marketplace?? How hilarious that this is anti-consumer but Sony's policy of denying users from using a THIRD PARTY account on other consoles because they simply logged in once on theirs is astounding.

@morganfell- More mindless shilling

@reul

"Sony does not lock free to play behind a paywall like Xbox"

Xbox needs to change that policy for sure.

"I'm sure Epic could easily transfer purchases from a locked account to a new one if they really wanted."

Oh really? You know this how? everyone else, PC, Nintendo and Xbox are playing ball. But you want to detract from Sony.

The next time ANY of you guys open your traps to talk about EA/Activision OR ANY other anti-consumer policy I will remind you of your stance here. The zeal with which you are protecting Sony, making excuses and defending the indefensible is ridiculous.

The spectrum of laughable excuses so far:

1. Bbbut Xbox is forcing Xbox Live- Complete utter BS that has been constantly spouted despite exampels to the contrary

2. Sony asked MS for Xplay in the past! Sony never asked MS. MS denied it in the past sure and whilst they were wrong- you cannot tell me with a straight face that last gen, with its paltry PSN service that Sony was well equipped to be catered for.

3. Sony gamers dont care for this! No, the N4G community with the most toxic and hardened Sony fans is not reflective of the whole Sony community (thank God!) Despite the fact that all forums are going mad on it, mainstream news are reporting on it and Sony's shares dipped as a result of this, people still mindlessly defend Sony.

4. its Epic's fault. Despite the truth staring at you in the face, you still blame others. And outside of this issue, how many devs have pointed at Sony for its policy here? The list goes on.

Deaf. Dumb. Blind

@MuddyWaters

No I'm not missing the point you are my friend because cross play is not a prerequisite. Its was not promised (even for Fortnite) and it should never have been expected by anyone let alone demanded because the other two platform holders need the increased player pool to boost theirs.

Do I agree with this? No! Dont I want all MP games to have cross play? Yes I do! But I also choose to live in the real world where I understand that Corps, especially the ones who lead, have their own agenda and self interests to protect wether I like it or not. I'm not giving up by accepting the truth or by stating it here as I'm not the one who makes these decisions. Thats the truth.

PS: to be frank as a ps4 onwner i dont care about cross play, I never have to wait in line to get in on a match especially on Fortinite, hell I dont even care if all MP games crush and burn so thats that.

@DialgaMarine

Its called selective memory...

@septic

The fact that these guys have to scramble to find something on Nintendo and Xbox to try and deflect the argument shows just how stupid the thinking is around here.

If you all are saying how bad those examples are, then how in the hell can you sit here and say it's okay for Sony to do this?

And who is saying that MS locking F2P games behind a pay wall isn't bad?

You diehards are looking for all other types of outrage except the one that is going on right here and now and it's hilarious to see most of you digging for defense.

Septic is spot on with his EA/Activision/MS comment because I garuntee the next GaaS, MT article that pops up most of you here will turn your fight the power mode on and start begging people to "vote with their wallets" and not support "greedy tactics".

But now let's just remember that those types of decisions are a business too, they have the right to do as they please and then I can also say, "Where were you during the whole crossplay/epic account fiasco?"

Seems legit.

Kind of funny. I have zero trust in Sony when it comes to my money.

So septic acknowledges that Microsoft needs to change their policy of locking F2P games behind paywall, yet it only gets one sentence? Where are the articles demanding them change such an "anti consumer" policy? He writes paragraphs complaining about Sony, but only a sentence about Microsoft not allowing players to play a free game without shelling out money. What's worse, not being able to play with a certain competiting console or not being able to play a game at all? Hmm.

Depriving your userbase of compelling games for a number of years is pretty anti consumer, yet Microsoft had done it twice now. Purchasing 5 studios is a good thing, but Xbox One gamers won't reap those benefits. Not to mention Phil already confirmed development of a new console only 8 months after the release of the X. This pretty much shows where their focus is, once again abandoning their current gen console in leiu of the next one. For the second time. Go complain to Microsoft about those "anti consumer" practices. It's ok though since they let you play your old games and like cross play, right?

You guys mention Sony gamers deflecting issues, but that's all certain Microsoft fanatics are doing with this cross play non sense. Deflecting from more pressing, real issues plaguing the Xbox One.

Its very obvious you're an xbox fanboy.

@Septic

"Oh really? You know this how?"

Because Epic can set the price on their content, including making it available for free for anyone who purchased it on a locked account, and the account they gift the content to would not be restricted by any compliance standard with PS4, as those accounts aren't linked to PS4. Are you serious with that question? Seemed rather obvious.

"everyone else, PC, Nintendo and Xbox are playing ball. But you want to detract from Sony. "

The same restrictions apply going from a Switch linked account to PS4. But I'm sure you're right, only Sony does this stuff, and we're the fanboys and fangirls looking to detract from an issue that was a non-issue until MS needed a PR strategy that revolved around something other than their lacking lineup.

r2oB read you your rights. You and Gangsta have earned your reputations here. I can't believe you had the audacity to threaten to call someone else out for perceived hypocrisy. How many times have I asked you to show you were all over this topic just as much before MS made it a talking point? You're never able to. Do we even need to bring up your documented flip-flop on exclusives? Your game is apparent and sad. You're like a vulture awaiting anything you can use to attack PS, and you immediately divide in to seize upon it. But if it's MS you figure some weak acknowledgement and move on will fool people who see you going in over and over again when it's Sony.

@Reul

"Funny how he became so passionate about "speaking truth" around the time MS made the issue a public relations talking point"

Oh how do you know? Your account is only a 180 days odd old? Care to spill the beans on what your primary account was? Does it start with 'G' by any chance? Don't try and launder your BS as Genuine here.

Lmao that YOU guys think you're in the majority. Your shameful behaviour is at odds with the vast majority of people think.

Go on resetera. Go on reddit. Go on the bloody news.

"You and Gangsta have earned your reputations here. I can't believe you had the audacity to threaten to call someone else out for perceived hypocrisy."

Perceived hypocrisy?! Lol!

I’ve played on both networks, with the same games. The Xbox community in general is a far more skilled group of players. Sony has good reason to not want this to happen.

Cross play would be letting the foxes loose in the hen house.

PSN users would play less because it wouldn’t be fun for them to get owned 24/7, and that isn’t good for business.

"Oh how do you know? Your account is only a 180 days odd old? Care to spill the beans on what your primary account was? Does it start with 'G' by any chance? Don't try and launder your BS as Genuine here."

We've actually already been over how I know, whether I had an older account, and what the name was (Take off the Rau). It's funny you're pretending that didn't happen. Are you really going to make me produce the receipts? It's sad that this level of disingenuous trolling is what you aspire to on a daily basis.

Where were the criticism when Sony approached microsoft about crossplay and microsoft turn them down several times. Septic, your bias is very obvious and I can guarantee you that if I go back to your comment history, I can find you defending microsoft.

Ffs no one ever bought a console to play with other players on other consoles.

If any of you xbox fans have any ounce of integrity you would admit that none of you also bought a xbox to play with PS players online

This is getting ridiculous. Its like suddenly you all forgot about last gen when Sony proposed the same to MS and MS turned Sony down.

The big difference this time is that Sony fans then never gave a dam nor whine about it like you lots are now like crybabies. In fact most PS players never even cared as many of them never wanted to play with whiny xboxlive players anyways

If I wanted to play with xbox players online I would buy an xbox.This is the established convention same as if I want to play Halo and other xbox exclusives before the PC share or whatever.

This is what MS wanted last gen and why they said no to Sony so that people will buy their console if they want to play other xbox gamers. Same thing now with Sony while they are on top and you can bet your ass MS would not allow it if they are on top next time.

So lets recap

1. This feature no PS fans are asking for it or cared about even last gen. If any of you have any actual survey to counter this I am all ears

2. Its an established business norm in consoles which is why we have multiple consoles and specific exclusives. PSN gaming community IS and exclusive feature for Sony to leverage for their business. Same thing MS did last gen and why they turned down Sony's request.

3. It is business. Every PS gamer is an investor in Sony and in particularly PS gaming. It is in our interest that Sony leverage whatever advantage they have that puts them ahead of everyone because in doing so means our investment is safe as well. Same reason why the majority care about console sales or game sales. If the console is not selling it will end up like the dreamcast. No one wants their console investment to end up like the dreamcast

Really this is not rocket science. It's maddening though how many so called journalist and xbox fans conveniently ignore common sense just so they can whine online about this.

Microsoft didn't want to do it last gen for the same reasons Sony won't do it now and that is very understandable.

@Septic cross play for a game like fortnite has more impact on people speaking out simply because it is a massive game.

Is it a deal breaker, No. Why, because all my friends game on ps4. Would it be a bonus, yes because I could take a switch round to my mates house and play.

Notice how Xbox isn't mentioned in the above.

P. S. Theres nothing stopping me from taking my ps4 round my bro's house. Or just staying at home and playing online.

Again notice how the link there is the switch portability. Again there is no benefit for Sony cross playing with MS.

If Sony was to allow crossplay I would say the smartest decision would be just to do it with the switch, just as Xbox have done. Then there is no argument because fundamentaly they have done the same thing Ms have done.

@Septic Wow, way to be just such shill who’s completely full of crap. At no point in my question did I say MS can’t sell their own games on their own marketplace, but of course you made that part up to try and detract because you couldn’t give me a real answer if you tried. My point is MS doesn’t put their games on Steam, nor do they allow cross play between Steam and Windows for the many games that do happen to be on both. If you’re a primarily Steam user, but want to Play Gears 4, you have to make another account on Windows Live to buy do so. Is any of this starting to sound familiar to you? Do you not see the obvious paralells? You’re criticizing Sony for doing something “Anti-consumer”, yet refuse to call out MS for doing the exact same thing. Why don’t you just own up to your fanboyism, and stop acting like you’re “Pro-gamer”; you’re only Pro-MS/ Xbox, and you know it.

No. They want to control access to the console space. No different than when they made PS2 and PS3 architecture harder to work with in order to make porting harder to do. Only now its not only a more an overt burn, it directly effects and punishes consumers.

Never been a real fan of online, but even I call this BS that it is.

Right septic because MS doesn't want the same thing, who monetized an online service first? To my knowledge playing online is still free on PC. MS also wants to lock you into their ecosystem so what's your point.

Is that a bad reason to block the feature?

I wish they block forever and get back to it the day MS has the larger install base.

It's not actually there are many annoyed people complaining over Sony's anti stance of this.

To me the ones that are defending it are the ones that would stand by the side of a corp who would begrudge other gamers of choices whether it to be gaming with others or using accounts freely on other platforms.

What gets me is Sony are basically saying no to it, all in aid of stopping someone leaving say fortnite on Xbox after playing with friends and going to the store and buy something there but that can actually work the other way around also..

Restrictions, Sony have clearly stated now that they will restrict it's users despite the good what can come from it in alot of ways.

I actually have friends and a couple of family members who have a ps3 and 4, yet Sony blocking this stops me from ever being able to game with any of them all because of greed and not thinking of gamers in every direction.

I see lots of pros in cross play for gamers but I never see any cons only for sony itself and no wonder I moved away from the ps3.

Morgan

I just find it funny since E3 so much hate for Sony and ps4 and watch it outsell the switch and Xbox one again

Muddy

The same greg Miller who threw Colin under the bus and became a celebrity more than trying to stick by his friend

@neutral,

Agreed. Because it always comes back to the games. Exclusive games. Not just multiplatform trailer tomfoolery. And there is much more to come from Sony as they are doubling down on games.

Fornite is free to play sony exclusives is not. There is a difference free vs pay money. thats the reason, not because fornite is better than sonys exclusives.

@sutminhani

it may be free to play, but it’s making more money then any exclusive on any console. It’s an insanely popular game bringing in over $200 million every month

What does this have to do with exclusives?
That seemed random.

Fornight is more popular then any game on the x or switch also, so whats your point.

343

Yes sir you can enjoy FN and excellent exclusives on ps4 something you can't on Xbox one

Hero of gamers? Thanks for the label. At least I'm not the one carrying water for a company like Microsoft that is in this boat because they shafted gamers. Sometimes to clean a wound you have to cut away some dead flesh. Or you can't keep a finger or you'll lose the entire hand. A few gamers, and these articles are a ton of propaganda lies because it isn't that many people, are going to have to suffer a little so companies like Microsoft learn their lesson. This reminds me of those articles where there is a console update and a few people out of millions have an issue and suddenly its a national tragedy.

If they want to blame someone for this current situation go ahead and put the blame where it belongs... on Microsoft. Personally I don't think there is anything to blame because crossplay is overrated. And PS4 gamers do not need it. Hero of gamers? Yeah, its painful but sooner or later they'll move to a console where they do not have so many issues and there are plenty of gamers. Call it growing pains. People like you are just trying to take advantage of the situation to rail against individuals you don't like all the while defending the company that started this mess.

Besides as has already been pointed out quite eloquently I don't see you arguing about Microsoft PC games not working with steam. Something I don't care about but I'm not the one being a hypocrite.

@Krib
Lmao, I guess Morgan doesn't recall the bs he spouted when he claimed he fights against the tyranny of companies that set games back *decades*.

@Morgan
"...water for a company like Microsoft that is in this boat because they shafted gamers."

No, instead you needed a bigger boat. So you turned a blind eye with Sony to run over gamers who just want to use their Epic accounts on another system like every where else or third party developers who want to have crossplay so they can merge their servers and save costs.

"..out of millions have an issue and suddenly its a national tragedy."

It also reminds me of the few rushing into those articles to damage control and start detouring people away by saying, keep moving, there's nothing to see here.

"If they want to blame someone for this current situation go ahead and put the blame where it belongs... on Microsoft"

And right on cue folks! "Nothing to see here, please direct all your attention on Microsoft", I love the fact you put all of your blaming woes on Microsoft, saying absolutely over the top ridiculousness like MS setting games back a decade and then the next comment you say people's reactions were like a "national tragedy".

You pretty much embody all of that with your comments about MS. Absolute tragic theatrics when it comes to Microsoft complete with the sky is falling dialogue.

"And PS4 gamers do not need it"

Can I say the same thing about PC games not working on Steam? Are there a ton of developers complaining about this? How many articles have been submitted here to discuss this issue? Does this also change what's happening right now with Sony? What if I said they should work on Steam, what then? Does your position now suddenly change?

The fact that you go out of your way to blame everything on MS and then turn around and say this doesn't affect you, you don't care, "where were you" or claim people are making something out as a national tragedy, does and completely makes you a hypocrite.

Sony isn't setting gaming back by refusing to throw a lifeline to a company like Microsoft. And as I have always said, a few gamers will experience some discomfort for the greater good.

The problem is your company is getting run slap over and your frustrations going over the cliff have you grabbing at any blade of grass you spot. It's utterly hilarious watching the lot of you twist in the wind.

A handful of people you try to turn into martyrs of some sort. A handful of people...Too funny. I love it when this is the sort of argument to which you have been reduced. No more cloud powa, 4k, or play anywhere. Now it's a few gamers are going to perish and take all of gaming with them. Well then they go down for the greater good of keeping Microsoft cut off from the community they chose a few years back to avoid.

Microsoft chose this. Ain't karma grand. I guess it's true, money can't buy happiness.

@Gangsta

well we could easily jog his memory, he is the mother of dragons, the freer of slaves. The bringer of rain, so i wouldn’t think he’d need that to happen

“I am not the enemy of games. I am the enemy of companies that damage gaming in the manner in which Microsoft has perpetrated. People are the enemy of games and gamers that support such companies. Ever since MS showed up arm twisting and trying to ram direct X down everyone's throat. They have set gaming back a decade with that effort alone. They stomped into gaming with a pocket full of money and no concept whatsoever of the ecosystem into which they were entering.

You want an enemy of gamers? That would be people that support companies who attempted a DRM coup, push anything but new games, and are responsible for the destruction of vaunted dev houses such as Rare and quite frankly Bungie.”

So suddenly he’s no longer the enemy of companies that damage gaming. He now says we should just move on. Funny how that works. He’s supporting Sony in their Anti-consumerism, so does that make him the Enemy of games? But he’s also the enemy of companies that hurt gaming.

So The enemy of my enemy is myself? But you are also the enemy? What? I feel like i’m watching the deathstranding trailer now. Well played morgan, well played