it doesnt matter who we started with or without, we lost 3 points. simple as that. its a game you expect united to win. not a walkover but a win. even by one goal.
its a different thing if the united reserves were playing but they werent. we had A-team players in there that should've won the match.
united are in a rough place right now. lets hope things improve soon. guess its time for united supporters to feel what liverpool fans have been feeling every year.
once again, the real problem with Utd showed it's ugly rear! the defense is BROKEN! Utd needs better defender ASAP!
at this rate, even Europa League is looking out of touch for next season!
btw, City lost too?? I think Arsenal might take the league this season but not because they are great but the others seem to be shooting their own feet!
Recent years showed Arsenal dropped points EASILY when they shouldn't have been and they paid dearly because others don't. That was why they have not been fighting for the titles these recent years and were happy with UCL qualifications.
This year might be different for them as they can afford to drop points as other big teams are losing to the bottom half teams here and there!
How much longer will united continue to fall before someone steps up and does something? Why was Kagawa taken off so early? Why was ando playing ? I'll continue to support moyes but his team selection is awful...if we don't splash big in the market for d man and midfielder I'm not sure we will make ucl next year
I have to disagree in some ways. People are forgetting Moyes needs to get to know his players before he starts to ship and bring in new ones. I said at the start of the season im expecting a top 4 finish last 16 of champions league and a good cup run in the fa or capital one cup.
Moyes will need 3 seasons to bring home the league imo. this year to find out what he has next year to bring in how he needs and to get them to gel and year after go for the league.
\people need to remember Sir alex went 3 seasons without winning the league in the mid 00s.
Fergie had to build a team when he started, Moyes inherited a team that won the title with ease last season, Utd should not be in this position and if Moyes needs 3 years then he's not the manager you should have. His position is to strengthen what he has, an easy task when you look at the rebuilding other managers need to do when they come into a job.
Just because he got last seasons champions dose not mean he will come in and win everything again. We all know the united squad needs a few changes and players like reo giggs are past there best. Moyes also needs time to get them playing the football he wants them to play. Also under Sir Alex teams were scared of coming to Old Trafford but now Moyes is in charge they are not scared as with it being under new management.
The other thing is of you look at the players Chelsea and city have brought in as they just splash the cash when a new manager comes in united don't do this.
United fans need to remember we have been spoilt under Sir Alex and look at the past great managers they have been given time. Moyes will and should get time and given that time will bring success to united. You cant win the league every season.
United won the title last season without ever really playing that well. Its true- everybody else was just so poor United won it easily without ever hitting top form.
As it stands, I still believe United have the second best squad in the league and the second best first XI, but the new manager isn't going to be able to exploit that immediately I suspect.
Why? It isn't really his squad or team. Eventually he'll find better performances and hopefully make a few smart buys and structure the team to his liking.
At the most I expect United to have a bit of an off season this one season, and bounce back next year.
A 3rd place finish for example wouldn't be anything to celebrate, but it would certainly be a solid point for him to build his team, his legacy.
vulcanproject That is what I m tying to say but I do think finishing in the top 3 this season is a big bonus for Moyes but I hope if that happens it will not be by a big gap like how united won the league last season.
What I find funny at the moment is that people are quick to jump all over United and Mayes but if you look at the fixtures we have all played in city have had a worst start then us as they have only had united out of the top sides to play yet they have dropped points to Villa and Cardiff already and only picked up 1 point away from home.
The league is very unsettled at the moment with the changes in the top 6 teams in the league and this season will see teams dropping points to teams you would never of expected.
Very bad result, the only positive I see is that City and Chelsea aren't too far in front even now. Despite Arsenal and Spurs good starts I consider the former two the main title contenders.
United did very badly in the summer with transfers and I felt it hampered Moyes from the start, he has had the toughest start anyone could have asked for with the club, it looked that way early on. He knows its not good enough, everybody knows its not good enough.
But its pointless fans getting too upset with this. Realistic United fans would have probably conceded the title at an early stage, hoping really that the bedding in stage wouldn't take too long so that it damaged the club's season too badly.
He has a decent set of fixtures ahead next month even now to build something on, so its pointless hitting the panic button this early.
If United win in midweek they look strong in their group, and then the next league game is a win you would hope it'll move on from there.
Aren't United traditionally slow starters every season? Now compound that by not having SAF managing the team. I agree that their form and league position dont make good reading but the DNA of a premiership Champions side doesnt just disappear. It will come good for Moyes and new players will come in with the January transfer window.
The problem for me isn't really the results (Because City aren't too far ahead, yet) its more the way we are dropping points. We never really look like we're gonna come back. Do you guys realise that United haven't scored from open play in the league or capital one cup apart from the Swansea game, so that and the Champions league game- Only two games where we haven't relied on a set piece. Imo this is the strongest team De Gea, Rafael, Vidic, Evans, Evra, Valencia, Carrick, Fellaini, Nani, Rooney, RVP. Obviously interchange the widemen, as Zaha and Adnan could come in, also Welbeck could play, against the likes of City we could take a winger off and play Cleverly to have three in central mid, also Hernandez up front. We have a strong team, we just need to consistently play it. I don't buy the whole 'oh he needs to get used to the team' he's been in the league for years, he's watched these players for years.
Agree that its Arsenal's best chance in years, personally I think it's between City and Arsenal, the only way for United to win is to buy big in January (A left winger is a must so then Nani can play on the right, also a midfielder who can dribble, still gutted we didn't get Dembele! Modric). I still think Arsenal need one more class striker, if only they got Higuian
it's okay coz United started without RvP, Vidic, Fellaini, Evra, Welbeck, Young etc
How much longer will united continue to fall before someone steps up and does something? Why was Kagawa taken off so early? Why was ando playing ? I'll continue to support moyes but his team selection is awful...if we don't splash big in the market for d man and midfielder I'm not sure we will make ucl next year
This is not Manchester United.
I wouldn't say utd won last season because they were great.
Other teams were poorer, this season, utd,city,chelsea are all struggling.
last week 8th place. today, 12th. fallin' fallin' keep on fallin'