@william

Yes, I sat there the whole time and watched the Xbox not getting sold...... Obviously I'm kidding.

Well, when xbox is selling 250k for the month of sept while playstation did well over a million in sales... one can easilly see how far behind xb1 is. As if 40 mil vs 90 mil wasnt glaring enough

@blackdream

"But you believe Sony sold 80 million?"

WTF? Sony themselves already announced they've shipped 82mil back in July. so, Sony is lying, now??

the PS4 is well over 90mil by now.

@black

Wouldn't it be illegal for Sony to report incorrect figures? As they're not a private company, I'm pretty sure reporting incorrect numbers to investors is illegal.

Also Vgchartz say these numbers are estimated. So that tells you straight away that they're not 100% correct.

"VGChartz isn't to be trusted then? "

We are supposed to believe these guys have data inputs from the entire world? No, I say they absolutely should not be trusted. If these guys had that kind of information then they would be paid handsomely for the information like NPD is in the US. And my view has not changed on that no matter what numbers they are reporting for whatever company.

@conanlifts

Both the standard Xbox One and the Xbox One X have AMD GPUs. We have no idea whether X is outselling standard regardless.

@razzer

"Both the standard Xbox One and the Xbox One X have AMD GPUs. We have no idea whether X is outselling standard regardless. "

yes but we do not know if the report was referring to both GPU's or one, that was my query. If you have info saying it is referring to both that's good. But have no idea either way.
As for the X yes that is true, some reports have indicated it is outselling the standard console, but its difficult to prove either way.

The report referred to total number of GPUs sold to MS. That would include Xbox One X.

That report you are talking about has already been debunked. It was a estimate put together by the John Peddie group that clearly states all data was from their estimates (the xbox one numbers in that report were 10 million ms announced in november 2014, then VG charts numbers every year after that) and it was published in april of this year, with again, estimates for this year. That same report had the ps4 at 100 million and the xbox 360 at 87 million, outselling the known numbers of the ps3.....

@gangsta_red

You don't need anyone's permission to trust anything but your own.

Once you feel good about that and then everything about life will make sense.

@krib

Here is the report:
https://www.jonpeddie.com/i...

It has Xbox One GPUs at 10.99 million in 2014. Where exactly is Vgchartz referenced? What was debunked?

And what "known PS3 numbers" are you talking about? Sony last reported PS3 sales numbers in 2013 at 83 million. What does that have to do with this report anyway? This report focuses on AMD processors which was not in the PS3.

first there is the disclaimer

“Disclaimers. JPR Reports contain “reviews” of various products and information. The content of these Reports represent the interpretation and analysis of statistics and information that are either generally available to the public or released by entities or individuals deemed responsible. The information in the Reports is believed to be reliable but is not guaranteed as to its accuracy or completeness. The Reports do not endorse or attempt to sell any products and should not be interpreted differently. JPR assumes no responsibility for the correct or incorrect usage of any trademarks or service marks.
Disclosure. This report was commissioned by AMD, however, the opinions, analysis, data, and copyright are those of the author.”

which states the data is that of the author and not AMD

Second, all the PS4 numbers except for 2018 (which is an estimate) were what sony announced as sales for the year.

2014 Sony reported 19.9 million shipped, the report stated 19.9 shipped
https://arstechnica.com/gam...

2015 Sony reported 37.7 sold in. The report reported 37.7 sold in
https://zhugeex.com/2016/01...

2016 Sony reported 57.1 shipped. and the report stated 57.1 million shipped
https://www.mobipicker.com/...

It’s not GPUs shipped to the manufacturer like you are trying to state. It’s whatever sony reported sold or shipped, it changes, back and forth, for that year.

Xbox-
2013 MS reported 3 million sold. the report states 3 million sold
https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

2014- MS reports 10 million sold in november, the last time numbers were discussed, the report states 10.9 for the year (which is what VGchartz reported) http://www.vgchartz.com/art...

after this point, the xbox one numbers are strictly estimates.

2015- he took the numbers “leaked” by EA to come up with his 2015 total
https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

2016 VGchartz reports 27.95 million xbox ones
the report states 27.86 million consoles
http://www.vgchartz.com/art...

the point is, this isn’t GPUs ordered by each manufacturer, as the numbers in the report are reported numbers by console manufacturers or VGchartz, and not from amd, as i’m sure at the end of any year, sony had more GPUs ordered from AMD then consoles shipped, or else they made just enough to ship every year.....

And the xbox 360 numbers have to do with this. If you are accepting these numbers as true, then you are also accepting that the xbox 360 sold 88.7 million consoles, which is millions more then any report on PS3 sales, meaning the 360 outsold the PS3, contrary to what others try to state.

you can’t have these figures be facts one way and not the other

Nyxus, Do you have a link for that? I'd love to read it. I couldn't find any information online regarding how many GPU's that microsoft ordered from AMD. Was that 37 million just for the base xbox one and not including the GPU for the xbox one X? Either way, if you find it, I'd like to read it. Thanks! :)

@Krib

I get your point that the past numbers are not GPUs sales to manufacturers but console sales themselves. I think you have documented that pretty well with the PS4 numbers. I don't see the correlation between VGChartz and the Xbox One numbers in the report. Or EA for that matter. Xbox One 2014 numbers line up with VGChartz (although I wonder if that number came directly from Microsoft), but one number lining up isn't proof that VGchartz is the source. The rest of the numbers are off from VGChartz and EA did not reveal anything other than overall numbers which were then paired against Sony reported numbers to derive ~19 million. Hardly concrete. Regardless, like I said, based on the Sony figures you provided, I think your point is correct. Where the report comes up with the Xbox One numbers is unknown.

As far as 360, you are still using 2017 numbers against 2013 numbers. If you compare the reports 2013 360 numbers against 2013 Sony reported numbers then PS3 outsold 360 at that point. After 2013, it is entirely speculative as to which console outsold which. But either way, the post 2013 Xbox 360 and Xbox One numbers are suspect at this point so don't think that matters either. Bottom line: We still don't know if PS3 or 360 sold more consoles because Microsoft and Sony haven't revealed the numbers. We all know VGChartz says PS3 sold more, but again, that data isn't worth much at all, imo.

@ThinkThink

Here is the link:
https://www.jonpeddie.com/i...

Well said Visceral89! I find myself having to defend MS because of all the unwarranted negativity. Can you imagine the gaming landscape if everyone else thought like that? We would be a true community for the first time ever. I hope we get there someday.

People complain about MS output for the past three years. Not the launch window. I'll give you credit for people saying that during the launch window, MS didn't have enough exclusives, because they had enough IMO, and they were of good enough quality.

Launch window(fist year which is how I've always heard it defined, unless you mean 6 months which seems to work in console wars...but I'll include number of months after launch for those that wish to get all technical to try and say otherwise) for Sony included

Infamous: Second Son(5 months), which I'd say is about equivalent to Ryse in terms of caliber.

DriveClub(11 months). Which despite the launch issues which just affected some online aspects of the game, was a damn good racer....and a free version of it for PS+ members. The launch problems quickly devalued the game though, which made it one heck of a deal to buy with the season pass, and was supported more than any given Forza was.

Knack(Launch Day) While not the most amazing platformer, was pretty fun, and if you're going to include DR3, I feel it's fair

-KZ:SF(Launch Day) which was fine for what it was, just a disappointment compared to prior entries.

-Resogun(Launch Day): One of the best side scrolling shooters this gen. Also free for PS+ members.....at launch

-TLOU:Remaster(8 months): While just a cross gen port, still one of the best games out there, and great for those who wanted to replay, or were new to PS. I'm pretty sure MS had a remaster in there during that time too.

-several smaller indie games which they published, some cross buy from the PS3 days....since you want to include smaller games

I'm sure you don't want me to include the 2nd year PS titles which would still be part of the "early in the generation" time frame.

In your list, you only listed one big game, and two mid-tier titles of note for MS. All three within the first 6 months of launch. Then mention a bunch of other games that came out much later to back up your point. MS had more games of note in the 2nd year as well, and that year, I'd say they generally had a better release schedule than Sony did that year. But then everything tapered off quickly, to becoming pretty dismal.

As far as dropping the truth about GamePass, I'm not sure why that's relevant. It can't really be truth if the matter is subjective either way, and for the most part, I think most say that it's a good deal....they just argue the veracity of if it matters to the consumer that much, or how it compared to PSNow, especially since Sony started allowing downloads. If your reason for buying the X1 is because of GP, then PSNow actually has more to offer, unless you want day one games. PSNow has more downloadable games than X1, and more games overall through streaming. My truth may be biased, but there is more fact within.

In short...MS problem with games wasn't in their first two years. I even brought one during that time because I actually felt it might be worth it. They really disappointed me after they started cancelling games, only to have nothing to fill in the void left from those games disappearing.

I'm willing to give credit where its due, but not take someone seriously who calls others blind while their own unbiased truth seems heavily slanted towards favoritism of a console brand, based on completely subjective feelings, and cherry picked, "facts". That said, your comment history doesn't seem like you are anti-Sony in the least, but your tone here is more fanboy than reasonable.