If they put out factual numbers, number that can be confirmed or supported by multiple 3rd party sources, then anyone crying fake can be proven to be full of it.

Mind you, given current era, if 99 independent environmental scientists say climate change is a thing while polluting companies get the one working for them to say otherwise, putting PR firms behind that one scientist, creating doubt in the other 99, then we are all just that f**ked. In regards to everything.

It is still a fact that it outsold gears 4.

I first started lurking here in the early 360 days, it wasn't always pro Sony, I came here after the original gears launched. an ther

Agree 100% lol

No, he really can't. Hell, Elon Musk was brought up on charges for a tweet.

10b-5s can be brought as a claim by shareholders or the SEC directly. Damages wouldn't be as difficult to establish as materiality of these types of statements.

Spencer has been with MS for 30 years, and press interaction is a primary component of his job. He'll know the difference between puffery and explicitly stating that a product sold more than X. He'd have defenses if this type of statement was false, but he'd also be out of a job.

People try too hard to say he could be lying. Gears 4 released in 2016. Safe to say they've sold many more systems since then to make his statement pretty obviously true.

"He'll know the difference between puffery and explicitly stating that a product sold more than X. He'd have defenses if this type of statement was false, but he'd also be out of a job."

"Gears 5 sold well for us. It sold better than Gears 4. And we feel good about it."

I am not saying that total sales of Gears 5 isn't greater but if called out all he has to say is that he meant during this (whatever period) of time. No way he would lose his job if total sales of Gears 5 is less than 4.

I never assumed it was lifetime sales.

I took it as 2 months of 5's sales are higher than 2 months of 4's sales. I can't see this being true of lifetime sales.

He cannot fabricate that.

That is my point you assumed what you wanted. Without a specific time frame we have no idea what it actually means so there would be no reason to fire him. He could be talking about sales on a full moon the PR is good for MS so this statement could never cost him his job.

Lol. Why is this even arguable? How many articles do we see calling DS the biggest new IP, or COD as the best selling new COD. Do people think that means total sales?

If it hasn't outsold Gears 4's initial numbers, and he went out a fabricated that, yeah, I'm not confident he'd still be around.

This just reinforces my point. Nothing triggers more scrutiny than a Spencer interview. With that in mind, he really knows not to go out there lie. As much as people want to get upset anytime he talks, he's bound by some serious standards.

By all means, people are free to report him for lying.

@Atom666

It's your time to waste so do what you want to do... but you're wasting it arguing with these guys.

@Genkins

People always argue with reviews. That's been going on since the day reviews came about. People need to keep in mind review are just opinions, So they can always be debatable. But we aren't talking about that. What we're talking about are official sales numbers.

@timotim

All Phil Spencer said was something happened WITHOUT giving an official number to it. The reason I say he should have put out the OFFICIAL number is because not only would it put things to rest, it would refute the evidence we see that contradict what he said.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/ge...

https://wccftech.com/npd-se...

Those links I just put up would easily refuted if he just gave people official numbers.

And as for the engagement, timotim, they were selling gamepass for $1 when Gears 5 came out. So of course it's going to have a higher engagement level than Gears 4.

And I never said he was a liar. I will however say that evidence like the links I posted say things contrary to what came out of his interview. Which AGAIN is why I harp on needing official numbers. That way regardless of what any Playstation fanboy or Xbox fanboy says, numbers don't lie.

@Lodossrage

You keep proving my point! He didn't need to give official numbers...first off, Microsoft doesn't do that anymore because it doesn't tell the whole story...and secondly, this wasn't a conference call style interview...why would he give him specific numbers as if it was? however he said flat out said that it indeed sold more! But here you are trying to post evidence that says something else haha. This is the head of Xbox were talking here...if anyone knows, HE would...yet that's not enough for you.

@timotim

"That's what its about! Gears 5 has more engagement than Gear 4"

... You're even regurgitating their PR terms? Engagement. Really?
Anyways. Saying it sold better is different in many contexts. Did it sell better day 1? What about week 1? Lifetime? Pre-order amount? What particularly did it sell better in? Microsoft is KNOWN for spinning things that were doing well. Zune is great example of that. They said it was successful and grouped it under different product markets that were doing successful and said it was doing well since they stuck them together. But, Zune itself performed miserably. Remember when Nokia and Windows phones were apparently doing well enough and were picking up? That certainly wasn't the case.

Is it really so hard to understand distrust for this company and their lack of clarity? I don't care if you love them and are actually happy with the purchase. The history and facts are there and it was for many recent years and then some. It's funny when "selling-out" has become more of buying your way into a hole and a group that thinks one way but are too proud to admit the wrongs and to properly address them in such a way as to become wiser, rather than ignore it until something new comes along and only addressing the old issues when it no longer is relevant so you may appear objective at present.

@Sin

Engagement, player base, more bros...whatever way you want to say it buddy...ill let you tell it. You can choose who trust or dont...that sounds like a personal issue to me...we aren't the same. At the end of the day, I'm going to take Phil's word over yours...he said it sold more...why is that so hard for you to believe? The more important thing is however, that Microsoft can put their AAA games on GP and retail #DayOne and still kick out a successful title that does well for their company...

@tim

MS isnt interested in telling the whole story, and this statement tells less of a story than factual numbers would, and really the only thing it says is that it sold more than gears 4. But, without a frame of reference for gears 4 sales, it gives about as much context as it did when they didnt disclose gears 4 numbers.

Statements like this create a narrative, but dont tell a story. The narrative is what MS wants to push, because they have a bunch of fans willing to do most of the work spinning the numbers for them, while others just hold onto doubt, and criticize without anything tangible to hold onto, which instantly devalues their criticism.

I dont think Spencer lied, but doesn't mean what he said really means much, and it just means that we end up arguing assumptive conclusions, as opposed to forming conclusions based on facts.

Zhuge

"This would need to include game pass to make sense."

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