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Xbox head Phil Spencer prefers higher frame rates than resolution

While Microsoft won't dictate what developers will optimise for on the Xbox Series X, Xbox head Phil Spencer said he'd prefer to play games with higher frame rates over those with a larger resolution.

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Jin_Sakai1562d ago (Edited 1562d ago )

Well at least we agree on something. I much prefer framerate to resolution.

chrisx1562d ago

Framerate > Resolution any day any time

UltraNova1562d ago

Give us 4K at 60fps and focus on physics, lighting and animations.

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blackbeld1562d ago

WTF! I got 8k tv so I prefer at least 4k with 60fps. Less then 4k then its no use getting next gen console period!

mikeslemonade1562d ago

I prefer having both on PC.

KillBill1562d ago

I disagree... there is a point in many games where frame rate need no longer reach a higher state while resolution could still be optimized.

For sure frame rate needs to hit certain standards but when the point of standard is met the inclusion of resolution improvement over additional frame rate is subjective.

Rodney251561d ago

@ultranova although I agree, I do believe that's a very tall order.

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Obscure_Observer1562d ago

60fps has been the focus for Xbox One first party games for the entire generation.

Phil already said that the Series X would have an extra focus on CPU to ensure more games running on 60fps.

Great work, Phil!

Atticus_finch1562d ago

Hahahahahaha hahahahahaha.
Sorry that's funny.

chiefJohn1171562d ago

Not sure why you got down votes.

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PsychoCrusher1562d ago

He should of concentrated on growing a plethora of first party studios like Sony has, thats the killer element that Microsoft doesn’t have. They just churn out the same 3 games & we all know what they are!!

They should never of let Bungie go!

Nasdac1561d ago (Edited 1561d ago )

2017 Phil Spencer: 60fps doesn't matter
2020 Phil Spencer: FPS > Resolution
Xbots : 60fps has been the focus for Xbox One first party games for the entire generation.

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UnholyLight1562d ago

So this next gen might turn out a lot like last gen did....the jump from 1080p to 4k or 4k checkerboard later in the gen. Of course 4k-8k is a much bigger leap I assume in technological advancement given where 8k is right now (not consumer viable yet??)...but I guess what I am saying is this time around 4k with better framerates we will probably be happy for most of the gen until 8k with better framerates becomes a reality.

UnbreakableAlex1562d ago

I’d really like to have a 1080p120 mode on the new Xbox. That would be awesome.
So like:
1080p120
1080p60 with better graphic effects
4K60
4k30 with better graphic effects.

Dabigsiebowski1562d ago

Yeahh...No. Just give us 4k 60 and focus on building a better game around that

dumahim1562d ago

So you just want 4k/60 rather than allowing for options that inclues 4k/60? o_O

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King_Noctis1562d ago

120fps is good but is abit overkill on console. I would settle for a stable 1080p60fps any day.

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RangerWalk2671562d ago

No more 1080. We are in the 4k era. If people don't have a 4k display... It's time to set it up and get one this coming generation

DerekFlint0071562d ago (Edited 1562d ago )

Your right, most don't support it. However, many of the big brand TV makers are incorporating HDMI 2.1 into many of their 2020 sets releasing circa April - May. I'm lucky enough to have it with the LG Oled 65 C9 which I sold my liver & a kidney for.

PixelOmen1561d ago

Mine does and g-ync/vrr too. I currently play PC games at 1440p/120fps with g-sync on it. I think the new consoles will be be able to as well if the rumored specs are true.

It's an LG C9 in case you're curious.

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mkis0071562d ago

I hope devs use checkerboarding or Temporal Injection instead of trying to get native 2160p. The power savings on just going to 1800p would be immense. I'm fine with 1440p and up.

GamerRN1562d ago

Having seen both in effect, and having an 82 inch 4k screen, I have to disagree. The blurriness of checkerboard rendering is noticeable on larger screens and I would hate to see that becone the norm as TVs are increasing in size.

fathertime44641562d ago

I totally agree with you gamer! With the specks that are floating around I want native 4k 60 minimum on every title! If they don't do that than what's the point of upgrading from a pro or an x that already does 4k 60 or fake 4k 60. There wouldn't be any point in upgrading

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mkis0071562d ago (Edited 1562d ago )

So given the choice you would rather have native 4k with frame drops/uneven frame timing? Spiderman, Ratchet and Clank, God of War, and Horizon Zero Dawn all point to other methods being more worth it.

TommyVercetti881562d ago

My Sony ZG9 98inch 8k screen is bigger.

ABizzel11562d ago

Looks at comments asking for 4K@60fps minimum.

Looks at $500 - $1,000 GPUs not being able to do 4K@60fps in all current-gen games on max settings.

Looks at same people asking for a $399 console, capable of this...maybe $499.

Walks away from the conversation.

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XBox4eva691562d ago

I'd much rather have full rendering at whatever resolution they need to hit 60 fps than anything more with checkerboarding.

Tapani1562d ago

Yeah he is super correct, huh! Why does he put 8K chip pics on Twitter and prefer higher frame rates at the same time?

He is contradicting himself. Basically he is just trying to market for everyone with all means necessary.

akbennyewu1562d ago

His preferences can exist in the same space as industry trends and advancements. He has been very consistent in his arguing for frame rate focus since taking over Xbox, I think you are looking for controversy where there is none.

Tapani1562d ago

I think he is sales / marketing guy who sees the high level only and is trying to copy other players in the markets without success too late. To an extent, I feel he might push an agenda at that point in time that makes the most sense to get the best coverage. More like a quantitative guy compared to quality.

Nothing personal against him, he is probably a nice guy and good at his job, but I just think his thinking is on rails and it is very easy to predict what he is trying to do.

Which is why I think he doesn’t care if it’s 8K or 120fps at 1440p, as long as he gets coverage. In the process he might contradict himself and is probably fine with it himself as well.

Just my two cents!

Tyrant 8 RDFL1562d ago

I would be very excited if I can get 1440p at 120 FPS.

nitus101562d ago (Edited 1562d ago )

Great, but do you have a display (TV or monitor) that can support 2160p (ie. 4K) or better, as well as a 120Hz or better refresh rate?

It must be noted that TVs normally don't support a resolution of 1440p which is more applicable to some monitors. Actually, you can now get monitors that do support 4K or 8k (very expensive so far) with refresh rates better than 60Hz. It is relatively common now to get monitors with 120Hz and up although with the higher refresh rate you do pay more.

HDR or High Dynamic Range should also be a consideration as well.

PixelOmen1561d ago (Edited 1561d ago )

I think TVs that have games in mind will support 1440p signal, my new TV does, and at 120hz as well (LG C9), it also supports g-sync/vrr. I agree with you if you're just referring to upscaling to UHD (4K), might as well. But if you're referring to native 4K@120hz, that'll never happen on any big budget game. You will need a TV to support HDMI 2.1 and the new Ultra High Speed HDMI cables for 4K@120hz though.

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Next Battlefield Game Already Playable and Being Built by “Largest BF Team in History"

EA says the next Battlefield game is being built by the "largest Battlefield team in history," and confirms the game is in a playable state.

Kaii1d 1h ago

“I’ve just spent a whole bunch of time with the collective Battlefield team, playing what they’re building and it is going to be another tremendous live service.”
It's just what gamers want, more live service garbage.

XiNatsuDragnel23h ago

Ik more live service is what I want /s.

_SilverHawk_22h ago

I'd like a lot more live service game / hi 5

RaidenBlack19h ago

What Henderson has leaked so far is that ... even though the dev size's large, they are playing safe this time,
so I am guessing big budgeted BF3 2.0 ... fingers crossed

Yi-Long3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

We don't need thousands of workers wasting their time and effort, for many years, on a live-service project nobody asked for.

Just take a dedicated small team and create a cool Battlefield GAME. Not a service, but a game. As in 10-12 Conquest maps, 4 classes, cool gameplay, done. That's it.

That doesn't need 3-4 years of development. That doesn't need thousands of employees. Just go back to basics; Release a cool game, let gamers buy and enjoy that game, and 1-2 years later you release a sequel. No 'service', no subsciption, no DLC, no seasons. Just a game. On its own. Done. 50 bucks.

Inverno1h ago

Oh boy I can't wait to see how they screw this one up.

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Phil Spencer trends on Twitter amid calls for him to resign

Phil Spencer and Microsoft have come under fire following the closure of multiple Bethesda-owned studios including Tango Gameworks.

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gold_drake11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

wow haha.

i dont think he will resign. or will be kicked off.

if hes still here after everything in the past, this wont affect him unfortunately.

RhinoGamer889h ago

He and his cronies have a sweet deal. Even if they are fired, stock options and parachutes will mean they never need to work again. Cronyism at its worst.

neutralgamer19927h ago(Edited 7h ago)

I think his days are numbered TBH. Spending 80 million of all acquisitions yet can’t even compete with others it’s insane

This also proves gamepass isn’t as profitable as Xbox fanboys make it out to be

RaidenBlack7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

That huge Acti-Blizz acquisition wasn't worth it ... They should've stopped at Zenimax and instead focused "rescuing" individual studios like Crystal Dynamics, Eidos Montreal, Crytek, Volition or Gearbox etc (much better than trying to devour the whole of one of the largest gaming publisher)
IMHO, with no $70 Billion deficit, these studio closures would not have happened ...

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Xbox Has No Idea What They're Doing, and I'm Not Sure They Ever Did

Nirav from GL writes: "If the makers of a GOTY competitor that outdid sales and Game Pass expectations and owned by the richest company in the world cannot stay open - what hope is there for everyone else?"

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Christopher13h ago

***If the makers of a GOTY competitor that outdid sales and Game Pass expectations and owned by the richest company in the world cannot stay open - what hope is there for everyone else?***

None if you stay in an arena of corporate driven metrics. And this is what happens when you allow publishers to buy up massive amounts of studios and IPs. There's only so much internal competition and the focus in the end will remain on those who look best on a spreadsheet.

Players can be so driven by what is best for them and only see what is put right in front of them. But that's not what is best for them. They are being lied to constantly, as seen by Microsoft's ridiculous praise for Hi-Fi Rush and Phil's lies about Redfall prior to release and how big of a supporter of both studios he has been. But, instead of thinking "wait, this corporation wants me to think this way, should I be listening to them and believing them?" players eat it up and go "OMG, did you hear what they said! They're just like us and they know what's best for the industry."

And because of this single-mindedness of the majority of gamers, we are where we are now. Massive layoffs. Massive studio closures. Games that we were told were representative of the core values of said corporations shelved and studios behind them shuttered. The truth is coming to bear because the truth all along was only what the numbers in an excel spreadsheet told the corporate suits.

If you truly want what is best for the industry, what is best for developers, then you need to support Indie games, support developers that maintain control over their IPs and direction, support boutique publishers who only exist to help Indies make it out the door and don't own the IP. Stop supporting major corporations with your money or you devotion. Stop playing their games, and I don't mean video games, but their marketing, their double speak, their guy without a tie who says things you want to hear PR, their future of video gaming concepts as if we were hurting for new ways to play games other than installing/downloading and playing them, and especially any slogan from them that gives the impression that they are for you, the consumer. They are not. You're merely a value on a spreadsheet.

Christopher12h ago

Sure, I'm the one drinking the koolaid. Keep believing in the corporations. They definitely have your best interests in mind. All hail the Big Green, For You Blue, and Nostalgia Red! All praise big corporations buying up other publishers. All praise the inevitable spreadsheet adjustments. For greed, not the players.

Crows905h ago

I'd like to but I think you drank it all...

anast10h ago

"then you need to support Indie games"

Get punk rock with it.

rlow16h ago

I don’t always agree with you. But you are correct and well said. It amazes me on what used to be a pretty straightforward industry has turned into such a greedy mess. Layoffs galore across the industry and corporates pushing/firing whatever is going to move the bean counters. With no regard for the people making the games. I’m tired of hearing these rich companies saying it’s just business, or an adjustment needed to be made, but it’s not personal. Then on top of it they have to inject corporate inclusivity into every game. On top of releasing broken games and expect people to pay top dollar.

But again well said and we as the consumer need to not only speak up but vote with our wallets.

Aussiesummer24m ago

Anything that makes millions is going to become a miasma of greed and corruption.

Tody_ZA10h ago

This should not be surprising to any of you. We have been saying for MONTHS that Game Pass is not sustainable and that these acquisitions will come at a massive cost to the industry. People refused to grasp the difference between buying and investing in a developer like Insomniac or Housemarque, and buying the entire publisher. People refused to accept that spending billions to acquire the biggest publishers in gaming means you have to RECOUP those costs, and you aren't going to do it without consolidation, focusing on core IP that sells, creating revenue streams via ownership and releasing on other platforms, and closing down studios that are superfluous to the budget requirements. You will not recoup those costs by investing in risky new IP or creative new games and studios.

No, people cheered Microsoft on like they were delivering GOTY titles to their door and pouring money into the industry to grow Indies and triple A projects.

You are getting what you deserve. You take the consequences of the practices you supported.

Layoffs happen. Some games don't succeed. Everyone has seen it happen. Happens even to the winners.

This, however, is goddamn shambolic and if you can't see it now then there's no helping you and you should keep enjoying the "value" of Game Pass while contributing nothing to this industry.

I've never seen the developer of one of the best games of the year get axed before.

Ninja Theory is next after Hellblade 2, I can see them going independent again. There's more to come from MS.

TiredGamer10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

This is exactly it. There is more of this coming. MS runs from one bad idea to the next, and GamePass is an unsustainable train wreck that we get to watch in real time.

GamePass is stalled for subscriber growth, and all that they can hope for is to either A) Reduce the quantity of games (i.e. shutter game studios), B) Reduce the quality of games (to make more mediocre but lower budget offerings), or C) Raise prices on existing customers. Or some combination of those.

MS does not have a passion for the industry. The XBox project, from the beginning, was sparked from the fear that someone else would eat their PC market lunch by making a games machine that replaced the PC. THAT was the entire motivation for getting into the games industry.

Profchaos8h ago

I saw it from the outset of day 1 on Xbox it's unsustainable no one was buying their games and a noticeable decline in quality and a push to live service elements to keep subscriptions active was obvious.

I saw it every time I'd go to a physical game shop for a Multi plat pre order no one was there for the Xbox version.

I'd go to CeX or other used game stores and be able to pick up the full range of Xbox studios first party games for 20 bucks and change while on the PlayStation side 20 bucks might get me two PS4 launch games and wouldn't even get me a single Nintendo first party game.

-Foxtrot8h ago

"Ninja Theory is next after Hellblade 2"

Anyone think it's weird it comes out in 2 weeks and there's hardly anything on it

Tody_ZA1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Actually Foxtrot, I don't find it weird. When last has Microsoft thrown advertising weight behind one of their releases? Long gone are the days where their games had the sheer presence of Halo 3 or Gears of War 2. It's all been replaced with "play it day one on Games Pass."

Why spend millions on marketing a product when you aren't SELLING it? The Xbox faithful aren't going to buy it, they're just going to see it on the splash page of Game Pass.

MrBeatdown10h ago

But hey, at least we get Call of Duty free on game pass*

*eventually?

anast10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

They know what they are doing. If 'you' treat them like "good 'ol simple minded folk", then 'you' are relieving them from blame via ignorance. They knew that they were going all live service, streaming and mobile a long time ago, The Oracle tends to see the obvious. While companies patronize gamers like they are children, which most of them are, may be confused for stupidity, they are also not so stupid they don't understand the decisions that they are making toward the overall direction of their company.

*None of their games were even close to competing for GOTY. They paid for names to be mentioned.

Profchaos8h ago

Xbox survived it's first gen by pure luck halo became a hit and it was huge followed up by halo 2 which had one of the biggest marketing campaigns I can remember seeing in the early 00s we had guys in master chief outfits on the sidelines of state of origin as a promo it blew my mind.

Then the 360 fell under the excellent leadership of Peter Moore and outpaced the PS3 for the first three quarters of that generation the only time anyone has ever done that.

Since losing Peter Moore it's been a rapid decline and buying up the industry stank of a desperate move along with the idea of gamepass itself stank of desperation to me no one was buying the X1 they needed something to get people interested and here we are.

I would happily lose gamepass if Xbox could go back to the 360 era style of focused heavy hitters and solid games.

The championing of consolidation they did was disgusting and what's happened as a result is proof they never had gamers or the industry at heart they need their ROI and that's all they cared about big daddy ms has signed a number of blank checks getting them here and it's coming to collect on their debts

zaanan2h ago

Well, MS bought Bungie to get Halo (and shut down the Mac version), which is a big reason they were as successful as they were. And the PS3 actually outpaced the 360, which is why it eventually outsold it despite releasing more than a year later. So really, not much has changed if you think about it.

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