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Xbox Exec: Microsoft Believes In Supporting Past Console Generations

Xbox games marketing GM Aaron Greenberg has reiterated Microsoft's support for past Xbox console generations' games.

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Jin_Sakai1424d ago ShowReplies(15)
RpgSama1424d ago (Edited 1424d ago )

I think it's more about them not having any next generation games so they use the excuse of no generations to take the games the developers they bought were making and upgrade them

Chris121424d ago

Its more a case of Sony fanboys spinning something positive about Xbox and turning it negative.

It always used to be about how MS was anti-consumer. Now they have become more pro-consumer you spin it again.

yomfweeee1424d ago

@Chris12 but your claim about being pro-consumer depends on how you look at it.

If you want the most innovation, you have to leave last generation behind. Who says that isn't proconsumer? Buying a new Xbox when all the games will come out on X1... hardcore gamers don't like that.

All Sony is saying is we're moving on. If you want the best games in the business that is how it is done. You can upgrade now or move on.

Microsoft is going to abandon X1 in 2-3 years... so you're in the same position where you have to upgrade anyway.

Chris121424d ago

@yom - you never see the true power of the consoles until 2-3 years anyway and the devs get to grips with hardware. It's always been the same. Suddenly Sony have started to remove the BC from their advertising, almost certianly because the support is poor. It's PR spin and you guys are just as much lapping it up and Xbox fans do.

Chevalier1424d ago (Edited 1424d ago )

@Chris

"almost certianly because the support is poor. It's PR spin"

Really? Xbox generations all say hello. You want poor support? Last half of the 360 generation ring any bells? This WHOLE current generation? Extremely poor support. The Switch has had MORE exclusives than Xbox and better quality in less then half the time Xbox One has been available.

As for PR spin, really?! Xbox has had the MOST PR spin from beginning to the end of the current generation. Greenburg in particular is one of the worst for the spinning. They really should have called the Xbox One the Xbox 720 because Xbox spins so much.

As for pro-consumer, highest print run requirements of the big 3. Have to have a PAID gold account to play FREE games that are free on Switch, PS4 and PC is consumer friendly?

xX-oldboy-Xx1423d ago

Chris - PS5 has the shortest Time To Triangle of any PS console, the need for highly optimised engines to negate memory and bandwidth deficiencies are all but gone now.

Getting amazing looking games up and running is a lot easier now. For both consoles.

But Sony is pushing that for PS5 110% - md is trying to be a PC. That's not pro-consumer, that's holding back innovation on your new console.

JesusBuiltmyHotrod1423d ago

@CHris12, postive for MS? You are on the koolais bud. aron Greenberg better hope the results we see over the next few months match with PR gloss they've been putting on this situation.

Because as is, the situation is that Sony was in a position to both serve their existing platform right up until the very end, and to start pivoting resources 3+ years ago into next-gen projects that would be ready for 2020. To serve both the PS4 audience throughout, and to start serving the PS5 audience with next-gen games from day one.

And Microsoft was not. Their hardware pipeline was ready for transition this year, their first party software pipeline simply isn't.

In terms of transitions historically, Microsoft's situation is the odd man out here, not Sony's.

Trying to spin underdelivery on first party games this gen, and the inability to start next gen projects on time for a 2020 release, as some kind of pro consumer philosophy, is a neat trick. But it's just that, pure marketing gloss over a much simpler explanation: that they simply didn't have their ducks in a row, and the rebuild of the studio group won't bear fruit for another while

Sunny_D1423d ago

It’s Aaron Greenberg being reactive to any little thing Sony does. Jim Ryan mentioned PlayStation supporting console generations and he immediately had to go on twitter to talk about generations. Lmao.

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JesusBuiltmyHotrod1423d ago

@chris1...this anticonsumer , pro consumer is only used by fanboys desperate to win brownie points over another box..fact is both are ok and are just looking at different goals, but MS is doing this because their first party is behind...

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-Foxtrot1424d ago

I just think if you buy a powerful next gen console you want the focus to be on that.

If they supported their console the entire gen with games and even in the past year they wouldn’t need the feel to do it

Obscure_Observer1424d ago (Edited 1424d ago )

-Foxtrot

"If they supported their console the entire gen with games and even in the past year they wouldn’t need the feel to do it"

MS will continue to support 50+ million Xbox One and X owners with first party games till 2022 while Sony will leave 110+ million behind in a broken world after this damn pandemic. And at the top of that, aparently, they aren´t even worried about PS5´s price.

Those´re nothing but facts.

-Foxtrot1424d ago

How can Sony leave them behind when they've supported their console so much this entire gen that there's still games people probably haven't even bought?

For example not everyone is going to be able to buy both Last of Us Part II and Ghost of Tsushima at launch so one of them will be in the back catalogue with other games they haven't gotten round to.

If Sony was like Microsoft we wouldn't have been getting those two games this year at all, there would be nothing but third party games.

Microsoft is putting a focus on supporting previous consoles and backwards compatibility because they know they haven't got much prepared for another 1-2 years. It's not about caring about previous owners, it just means they don't really have a choice so they are making themselves look like good sports.

remixx1161424d ago

How is don't leaving 110+ million people behind when ps5 will be BC, I'm confused.

Muzikguy1424d ago

Those are not facts at all? Did you smoke those up or something? Wow....

Sony's track record shows the don't just "leave people behind". Everyone knows this except you apparently. Also, if MS isn't worried about price, why haven't they said anything about theirs? Yeah, some facts you have

russo1211424d ago

"And at the top of that, aparently, they aren´t even worried about PS5´s price." - if that's the case why haven't the price been disclosed already? Covid19 is melting your brain.

RazzerRedux1424d ago (Edited 1424d ago )

@-Foxtrot

"How can Sony leave them behind when they've supported their console so much this entire gen that there's still games people probably haven't even bought?"

Exactly. If anything has been left behind it is Xbox One. First party has flatly sucked this gen. Phil Spencer said it himself that they failed there. Sony can end this generation knowing they provided an incredible lineup of games. Microsoft cannot. /end

Shadowsteal1424d ago

PS4 has 2500~ games. TLOU2 and GOT are releasing this year. Third party games like COD, AC: Valhalla, Elden Ring, etc. are still coming. 7 years of solid consistent support, Sony moving onto PS5 isn't leaving 100 million PS4 players behind. There's hundreds of PS4 games left to play and dozens yet to be released.

PowerPlayaaa1424d ago (Edited 1424d ago )

Wtf are you smoking dude. You do know that the PS5 will be BC with the PS4 right?
Man. Your fanboyism towards the other camp is so damn filthy. Be a gamer and enjoy video games. Not worshipping a damn brand like its jesus christ. Grow the fudge up man.

And making exclusive next gen games on the PS5 SHOULD BE A DAMN STANDARD. Not this BC crap. Ohh. We have to think about last gen now. Hell no. Do both. Crossgen games AND exclusive next gen games on your platform of choice. So be it the PS5 or the Series X. You buy new tech to EXPERIENCE new tech. Not Experience SLIGHLTY better games then last gen games. You want that next gen feeling. Every new gen. Thats a fact.
Not be like. Ohhh. 60 FPS and 4k. Yeeaaa dude. Its awsome. But with the same damn graphics like last gen. Except a little raytraycing. But overall. Looks the same. How can you accept that as a gamer when you buy new tech?
Microsoft could've probably announce a pong game that looks graphically the same as the original from the 70s. You probably would say:
Thats the best looking damn game ever created. Woooow. Thats the power of the Tflops maaayyyn.
Thats how fanboish you are. Wake up.

RosweeSon1424d ago

Continue to support they would need to start to continue it. Xbox haven’t supported their console all gen 1 game a year is laughable bit like your delusion. Sony aren’t leaving anyone behind it’s just what happens things move forwards not backwards PS4 still has 2 major releases to come anyone who wants to go next generation can play the majority of their games (the ones worth playing) for everyone else they can continue enjoying their PS4’s with the masses of quality games I bought mine day1 and still got plenty to play yet Xbox wanna rely on previous gens when they haven’t Barely released anything and are making excuses already for possible delays bought 15 studios not released a single in game trailer let alone an actual game. Actually think about what your saying you like Xbox we get it but to think they smashing it and on top and making Sony even remotely worried is laughable at best

TheTony3161424d ago (Edited 1424d ago )

Are you new to gaming? Every console generation had it's own exclusives at launch. Just because MS decided to go the PC route doesn't mean that Sony and Nintendo have to do it too. And Sony always supported their previous consoles for years. MS on the other hand dropped the OG Xbox as soon as the 360 launched.

outsider16241424d ago (Edited 1424d ago )

Sony leaving 110 million players behind? Facts?

What the heck are you smoking bro? Ps4 still got TLOU2 to release in June. Then July it's Ghost of Tsushima. Then you have Ass Creed Valhalla and usual sports games from EA. 110 million people will still enjoy their games. No one's left behind.

Facts!

jwillj2k41423d ago

My ps4 will work just the same once ps5 launches last time I checked, just like my ps3, ps2 and the ps1.

I guess you could say Sony has and will continue to support the 400+ million playstation owners with the launch of the playstaiton 5 in 2020.

rainslacker1423d ago (Edited 1423d ago )

I am always impressed at how Xbox fans think that just because MS is changing how all the rules apply, at least to themselves, that the Xbox fan boys seem to think that these rules actually need to be changed.

It's almost like living in a alternate reality. One where decades of expectations are just changed on a whim, and any reason why that may not be a good thing is met with hostility, and this fervent devotion to try and prove that rules need to change because MS says so.

Doesn't matter why MS is trying to change the rules. Doesn't matter what has been done in the past....like how MS did indeed abandon the prior gen for each of it's 2 subsequent gens so far more than the competition did, and how the competition actually continued support years after the new gen came out. Hell, this gen, Sony released it's most popular IP on the PS3 after the PS4 came out, and it wasn't even cross gen. But sure, this time Sony isn't going to support the PS4.

It's nice that MS wants to support the X1, regardless of their reasons. But they're taking that idea to the other extreme, and in doing so are marginalizing their support of the new generation. The reasons for that can be pondered on and asserted any way people want. But when it comes down to it, MS isn't releasing next gen games for a year or two after they launch the XSX. There's a fact for you, no matter how hard you or MS try to change the definition of what a next gen game means in both context and reality.

Sunny_D1423d ago

A good portion of those 110+ million are all ready to move on to the next gen of games. Sony continues to support their systems into their last year before next gen starts. TLOU2 and GOT say hello. ;)

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Obscure_Observer1424d ago (Edited 1424d ago )

@-Foxtrot

"Microsoft is putting a focus on supporting previous consoles and backwards compatibility because they know they haven't got much prepared for another 1-2 years. It's not about caring about previous owners, it just means they don't really have a choice so they are making themselves look like good sports."

Sure... It´s always a win win situation with you folks which MS will always turn out to be the evil company even when they make pro-consumer decisions. The moment Phil had the Scarlett announced, N4G was all about on how fast he wanted Xbox One´s failed generation to end, and how Xbox One owners wouldn´t even be able to play Halo Infinite and, don´t get started on said gamers play games from the new studios. Since Phil destroyed that FUD narrative, fanboys had no choice but create another bs narrative on how MS is the evil company by holding back game development.

The hypocrisy in some people knows no bounds.

Nyxus1424d ago

What is 'pro consumer' is also a matter of opinion. I would say it's 'pro consumer' for people who invest in a next-gen consoles that they get games that make full use of the hardware and are only available there. So in that sense, having next-gen exclusives would be the pro-consumer thing.

RazzerRedux1424d ago (Edited 1424d ago )

Right.....cuz you always give Sony a fair shake? Hilarious. Just a few posts above you were trying to use the pandemic to shame Sony.....AGAIN! And you want to yapp about people calling MS an evil company? Are you serious?

"The hypocrisy in some people knows no bounds."

Indeed.

Obscure_Observer1424d ago

@Nyxus

"I would say it's 'pro consumer' for people who invest in a next-gen consoles that they get games that make full use of the hardware and are only available there. So in that sense, having next-gen exclusives would be the pro-consumer thing."

Fair enough. Honest question to you Nyxus: How much of a difference do you think we´re about to see between PS5´s true next gen games and Xbox Series X´s current gen games?

Chevalier1424d ago

Hypocrisy? Like how everyone is so gung ho on Xbox about how they 'support last gen. Okay so how come the support has been so bad all generation? Lol. Its hypocritical to talk about how Xbox has supported gamers when this whole generation is pretty much a write off. Sony supports their gamers beginning to end and now that's a bad thing? ! Seriously wtf are you smoking? You are seriously trying to make Sony the bad guys when they just keep releasing and supporting gamers all through the generation is laughable. Xbox has NEVER supported any generation from beginning to end in the last 3 generations.

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littletad1423d ago

So saving money and keeping your library is a bad thing? Smh, console owners are oblivious to something that PC gamers have been enjoying for decades. Can't we block this Foxtrot dude by now?

-Foxtrot1423d ago

Unfortunately not, you’re stuck with me so tough shit

Chevalier1423d ago

Really? Did the Wii U, PS2, PS3 not have full backward compatibility? Are PS5 and Series X not going to have BC? Because I don't get how PC made BC a thing over consoles?

mandf1424d ago

How about supporting the gen you're in. They have not had a good track record of 1st party support.

aconnellan1423d ago

So it’s bad that Series X games will be releasing on Xbox One for the next 1-2 years... but also they’re not supporting Xbox One?

I’m simplifying it, but that’s what I’m seeing here

Zeke681423d ago

You are not simplifying anything, you just try to twist mandf's words to your liking.
The point is, if M$ are supporting this generation, why no games to compete with Sonys Death Stranding, Days Gone, Last of Us Pt2, Ghost of Tsushima and so on in the end of current gen.
M$ surely talks alot but no show HOW they support this gen. Wait for next gen, wait for this, wait for that. They just keep on lying while Sony and Nintendo delievers, day after day, week after week, year after year.
Why do you defend a lying company like M$?

THAT is what I'm seeing here.

nirwanda1423d ago

I'm expecting ms to use this as a clever marketing tool, I,e Forza runs at 30fps Vs 60 with less cars and look at theses exclusive city tracks that can only run on series X and we have a new physics engine that takes advantage of the new processor etc.

Sunny_D1423d ago

The only reason MS are doing cross gen is because they have no faith their games will be able to sell on Xbox Series X or if their console will be able to sell as well. They need the help of whoever buys the Xbox one version of the games since they atleast have ~45 million consoles sold to soften the costs.

FGHFGHFGH1423d ago

Those "Series x" games were probably xbone games held up for the new console. Forza which comes out yearly didn't have a release this year and HALO which was out every 3 years has not come out in around 5 years. What launch titles does ms have? HALO and Forza? These were supposed to be xbone games lol. Great support

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JCOLE131951424d ago (Edited 1424d ago )

I’ve mostly been an Xbox user this entire generation, but this is dumb. People upgrade consoles to play the new games that are only possible on next gen. From the first time I’ve heard that there won’t be any first party exclusives for 1-2 years, it’s been bugging me ever since. Being able to play my current library on the Series X is great and all, but I want to move onto the next generation.

I really don’t want to hear the “consumer friendly” argument either. Instead of seeing first party games taking full advantage of the new hardware, they’re just gonna be held back due to them needing to run on a console 8x less powerful and with a crippling HDD. It doesn’t take a tech savvy person to understand that. Exclusives define a console’s identity, and with that in mind, the Series X is going to feel like a One X all over again. I really wish Microsoft went with a more traditional next gen launch.

Atticus_finch1424d ago

A big part of the problem might be that MS simply did not have enough time and budget to make next gen games so they are playing it safe by releasing them on current gen. That way they save $ and sell more. It's good for MS but not good for next gen adopters. I can't help but dislike the idea because even if you put development preference on next gen hardware then the 50 mil xones get might end up paying for a bad port. It doesn't make the most sense.

Chevalier1424d ago

Really not enough time?! Almost 8 years into the system and the excuse is not enough time?! How when MS apparently spent a billion this generation on games then where are they? How is it the Switch in 3 years has MORE exclusives and 1st party games than Xbox in 8 years? Its year 18 for Xbox and at the 4th generation they didn't have enough time? That is truly laughable

jwillj2k41423d ago

They had the same amount of time as Sony. Lets see what Sony comes up with on June 4th. Sounds like bad time management to me.

rainslacker1423d ago (Edited 1423d ago )

MS had the budget. They didn't have the resources though. The money means nothing, if you don't put it into production. They put the money into studio acquisitions....which to be fair is what they should have done....or make their own studios, which they did make one. Everyone said they needed to do it, and they did, so, that's one criticism removed.

But then that brings up the new issue of how long it took them to do that. Yeah, they needed to get the resources to make games....although it could be argued they could have contracted out those games like Sony does with any number of 2nd party games it has in its line up....but they needed to do it sooner than the past one to two years, with studios that were making games that were set to release in the last year to next year.

And this brings us down to why MS is at where they're at now.

MS had no plans to have games ready to launch with the XSX. They had one new studio they created, and all their timelines for their already existing studios this gen, put all those games as current gen games, or games that would get pushed to a new gen, because they were behind from the start of this gen.

Spencer wrecked everything that Mattrick had built with the studios. yes, Mattrick, the guy everyone loves to hate, at least went into this gen with what appeared to be a plan to have a steady supply of games for this generation. What those games would have been, I can't say, but the first two years of X1's life seemed pretty good, with potential for the future. When Spencer took over, he cancelled project, closed studios, and then sat on his hands while they salivated over their minecraft money.

When the next gen loomed, and they realized that their biggest franchise, and last to release this gen, was going to leave them with nothing to launch the XSX with, they concocted this idea that slapping a new coat of paint on current gen, and calling it a launch title, was a great idea, and worked to make it appear to be a pro-consumer thing.

In the mean time, they started a service which promises more money with less work, so they brought up a bunch of mid-tier studios to make, "intimate experiences", and then allowed their fan base to run rampant talking about these studios being top tier, and consistently making high profile AAA games, even though the most AAA game of all of them was a rather modest(in production value) Fallout clone. And none of those studios is anywhere close to being ready to show off a game actually developed for next gen....but MS really doesn't care, so long as they can keep their console brand alive long enough to promote Game Pass to the point they can just forget about the console market.

After 5 years of Spencer, we're still at the, "Wait for" stage of this gen's console life, and that "wait for" mentality is being applied to next gen months before it even starts, with these completely insane rationalizations of, "Well, next gen games never really show what next gen is fully capable of anyways". I mean, is this level of complacency anywhere close to what we'd expect from the hardcore gaming community? How often have we heard about other publishers, or console makers being lazy because they don't bother to take advantage of something? The term, "lazy dev" when they don't try to do something the gamer wants. But now, we have the hardest of the hardcore....the fan boys...who will will jump at the chance to point out the same, yet nowhere near as egregious failings of the competition....perfectly content with what MS has done this gen, and defending the notion that it's OK for devs to just turn out games that don't try to innovate.

Sunny_D1423d ago

@chevalier

You have to account for the fact that MS had their fingers in their ears this whole gen when fans complained about wanting more first party games. They just recently decided to buy new studios when the generation is almost over so these new devs don’t even have games up and running yet or won’t be available for a while. Could be wrong but don’t count on it.

chronoforce1423d ago

They certainly had the time, budget and the studios to make whatever they needed to make but in typical MS fashion they have made unforced errors.

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@rainslacker

"I mean, is this level of complacency anywhere close to what we'd expect from the hardcore gaming community?"

These people aren't hardcore gamers, they're the same people who supported kinect and power of the cloud

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Obscure_Observer1423d ago

@JCOLE13195

"From the first time I’ve heard that there won’t be any first party exclusives for 1-2 years"

Exactly! That´s why you imho, you should wait and see what kind of innovation PS5´s true next gen games will bring in comparison with SX´s "current gen" games. What most people fails to understand is the fact that you won´t deliver next gen level experiences by just having your hardware upgraded. Naughty Dog for instance has been using an old PS3 engine upgraded/modified for the PS4 since day one. It´s PS3 tech! How "next gen" ND went with the PS4? How many Playstation studios has tailor-made PS5´s next gen engines to truly harness the full power of the console to deliver those games day one?

I say, wait, see, compare, then judge.

Zeke681423d ago (Edited 1423d ago )

Both Uncharted 4,Lost Legacy and Last Of Us Pt 2 is using a heavily optimized build for PS4 / Pro so why are you lying?
The "quote" you make about the PS3 engine is only true for the Last Of Us(1) PS4 port...

Obscure_Observer1423d ago

@Zeke68

"Both Uncharted 4,Lost Legacy and Last Of Us Pt 2 is using a heavily optimized build for PS4 / Pro so why are you lying?"

Lying? Why do you think both Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy have the same resolution and framerate on the Pro, dude? Why do you think both God of War and Horizon looks better while both runs at higher resolutions on the Pro. I might be dead wrong, but I think you´ll understand what I´m talking about when DF confirms TLOU 2´s resolution and performance to be the same as Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy. Just wait for it

mandf1414d ago

You are embarrassing yourself just stop. I'm at a loss of words.

LordJamar1423d ago

Then don’t buy a series x or sell your previous Xbox consoles and buy a ps5 and move on OR maybe wait until you see the games instead of worrying about a subject you know nothing about and only brought up by others is the sole reason you have any concern about it in first place by others who know nothing about it let them show infinite And any other games they have look at it if all you can think about it what was held back then don’t get a Xbox.

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Dragon's Dogma 2's Elves Are The Best Since Tolkien

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Skuletor6d ago

Downplaying every rendition of elves over a period of 70+ years? What kind of headline is that?

kythlyn5d ago

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VincentVanBro5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

LMAO what?! Every article that sings DD2's praises just seems off now that I've played it for myself. Its a mid game, 7/10 at best and that is generous. The elves are a joke too, much less interesting than say the Witcher 3's elves or Baldur's Gate 3's elves.

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