If you were a true Madrid fan you would feel filthy about that win....you should feel cheated yourself that you were handed such a win.I know as a United fan I would feel disgusted if that happened to us...
Because he wasn't jumping 5 feet in the air with his leg up in the chest area.
I understand MAN U fans are upset, but if you look at the goal Modric scored, it was a great goal. Nani on the field at that time wouldn't have made a difference. It was a great shot from 25 yards out. That goal right there would have still put Madrid into the next round.
The goal by Ronaldo is a different story. Had Nani been on the field, I believe Ronaldo wouldn't have scored...or had the opportunity to score that goal he got.
I think the issue here is that Ferguson didn't have Rooney on the field until late in the game and he had Giggs on instead of fielding Kagawa.
Either way, the game is over and Real Madrid are going to the next round.
Too much crying from Man U fans. Don't forget we just played against 3 games in a week against arguably the best teams in the world. Fatigued? No sh*t! All this talk about Man U dominating, blah blah, well no duh. The dudes are tired! Glorious week for Madridistas! Enjoy my fellow fans, don't let these guys crying ruin our moment for now.
Thats a lot of boasting for what was an average performance. For your sake I hope at some point you avoid Bayern Munich because I would make them favourites to win it from what I've seen.
Also, did Madrid not rest a few players on Saturday, you know, as they can't win the league.
Man United were rattled after the red card and Real Madrid were on top for that 10 minute period and took advantage but at no point in the game other than that did Madrid look the better side.
Harsh red card! Cmon refs dont ruin games, was a yellow at worst but there was no real danger or intent there.
Real Madrid dominated the game way before the sending off (nearly 70% possession) . Uniteds only goal came from an own goal. They couldn't score if they tried. They had to be gifted a goal..
Was a harsh red but raising your boot that high is always risky..
Lol dick head since when does possesion mean anything nowadays so what 70% bet barca had more than that on the two recent occastions and madrid still beat them so dont talk about possesions cause at the end of the day its finishing your chances whether you havw 10% or 70%
Don't be silly. Madrid were allowed to have possession, because they couldn't do a thing with it (United intended to press tight but let them keep it when it was safe) and their counter attacking was to be nullified- United knew Madrid would have to attack, force the game at 0-0 or 1-0.
Madrid could have 100 percent possession for all United could care, if they couldn't score with it all or make a clear cut chance (they couldn't before the red) then United go through and don't give a toss...
When they lost the ball, United's plan was to attack quickly or take advantage of a set piece and guess what?
It worked.
United created better chances and caused more trouble than Madrid did while it was 11 on 11. Madrid dominated possession because they were allowed to, but United were the better side because they used what they had much better....
United forced the goal, it is ridiculous when idiots claim that it was a gifted goal as if it was a misplaced backpass or something, it was a forced cross right in front of the goal looking for anyone (including defenders!) to get a touch on it and go in. Valid goal. Not a gift.
I had City fans tell me United wouldn't have done any better against Madrid, Dortmund and Ajax when City got put out in the group stages, but this tie shows they were blatantly wrong.
Well what can you say. United were the better and smarter team over two legs with the better chances especially in tonight's game. They were in excellent control and had Madrid shut down for virtually the entire game and worked incredibly hard, up to of course the red card that wasn't.
Madrid's threat was virtually neutered when it was 11 on 11, United had the best chances in the first half and before the red, they also created some amazing chances after the red card!
It feels like a bitter injustice. If United were beaten by a simply better team but it just wasn't the case tonight, United were the better team. These games are always so tight, that it is difficult to separate sides without some significant event.
For shame, but Madrid got a big slice of luck when they needed it most and that often wins ties and tips the balance of games, you need the rub sometimes in big games and it just wasn't with United tonight.
I think United can be very proud of the way the game ended and the result, despite it being a negative one. Sometimes you get a huge chunk of luck and sometimes you get robbed by various powers.
Thats football eh!
Reminds me of the red card suffered by Rafael against Bayern 3 years ago, another dodgy decision that handed it to Bayern when they were clearly inferior. It happens.
I agree with you about the card, but saying that United was the better team in both legs is wrong. Madrid dominated the first leg and today was pretty close even if manu dominated the first half. Also, they scored 3 beautiful goals and manu just took advantages of two defensive errors and weren't able to capitalize on their chances against in form diego lopez(like madrid in the first leg against de gea btw)
"saying that United was the better team in both legs is wrong"
Good that I didn't say that then isn't it? Saying better over two legs isn't the same thing as saying better in both legs.
PLEASE READ BETTER, before constructing your comment based on an innaccurate statement!
Madrid had more of the first leg, but United played smart and got a good result as well as created just as many clear cut chances.
United were the better team for most of the first hour of the second leg, had the better attacks and chances. For the ten minutes after the red card, Madrid were better unsurprisingly, then for the rest of the game again United were better and created even more fantastic chances but it was always going to be too difficult.
United's game plan in the first leg did a job, but tonight especially worked fantastically up until the ridiculous red card, you have to admit.
I think other teams will watch the game and see how United shut down Alonso and Ronaldo, and Madrid had little else to offer offensively prior to United going a man down. This will be the game other teams will watch before they play Madrid and that will do some damage.
I had money on Bayern to take it a while ago and feel pretty confident especially after seeing Madrid labour for an hour tonight.
Madrid won the game because exceptional circumstances favoured them, not really any other reason. When your own manager admits you weren't as good, when he says 11 v 11 you wouldn't have won, you should probably listen to him....
Played smart, yes. Outplayed Madrid and nullified them for the hour the game was on an even footing. Created more clear cut chances, and Madrid never even looked like scoring until after Nani was sent off. United did, rattling the post and splitting the defence a few times and they did score before....
The red card shouldn't have happened whether it was in Europe, the premier league, or on the Moon.....
United had the better chances in the first half, Madrid had barely a sniff. Ronaldo and Alonso were taken out the game by old man Giggs and kid Welbeck, it was fantastic.
I was right- Madrid were never going through without exceptional circumstances. I would fancy Madrid to go a bit further in the competition but based on tonight's evidence I don't think you are going to win it because there are better teams left in it.
What Mourinho mind games? The game was finished- none left to play. He spoke the truth, he wasn't impressed with the performance of Madrid and clearly felt he was very fortunate.
You needed great fortune to beat a better team tonight, and it is rare to get that throughout the competition.
I think Bayern are better than they were last year and that Madrid are poorer.
You can enjoy the win for now, because I probably would. But other teams can watch the game tonight and see how Madrid are quite beatable.
I can honestly say if Nani stays on the field as he should have, United would have put you to bed and I doubt you would have even scored such was the shift put in by United's midfield.
@ doncorleone
I am sorry if you didn't understand me BUT I wasn't playing with words, there is a distinct difference here between being better in both legs and being better over the two legs!
Being better IN both legs suggests you were a lot better overall, being better OVER 2 legs means edging it over the total of the 180 minutes. I didn't mean the first, I meant the latter which I felt was a fair description....
Wow you're really playing with words here, sorry but english isnt my first language and when i said in both legs, i was referring to over two legs like you said. While I dont think Nani would have stopped Modric from scoring that beautiful goal,but, if you read well, I said that i agree with you that the red card was harsh and changed the game PLEASE READ BETTER And whats' up with that last statement you made with mourinho? im sure you arent always agreeing with sir alex when he says something ;)and roy keane said that nani did deserve the red card, do we have to agree with him because he is a lengend?i think not... And i think he was refering only to today s match, not OVER two legs(mourinho) anyway peace man
Don't try to argue with Vulcan. He's not here for that. He's always here to write novels about what he thinks. Especially when it has to do with teams from England.
On topic : red card is harch but if United was really the best team, they should have been able to defend. At 1:0 United was just gonna defend anyway. Doesn't matter much to be one attacker down. If anything great teams step up when facing injustice. They don't collapse in 2 minutes.
I agree with both of ya both good points the sending off was harsh but man United would be expected not to capitulate. I was annoyed at the sending off and I'm a gooner. Roy should stfu be shoulda got put in the pen for some of his antics
I'm sorry but if you play football you would be annoyed as anything at getting sent of for that. On your logic, you could say Arbaloa could see Nani's foot was up to control the ball but carried on running in to him endangering himself.
Any self respecting fan,no matter who they support should except the ref made a mistake and it was a booking at most, otherwise it could set a precedent that could only ruin football in general.
It's harsh but utd only had to hold out for thirty minutes, they conceded two in the space of ten minutes. When things like this happen you have to dig in, utd didn't.
@rgb yeah, I said in the space of ten minutes, as in after the red. Did that confuse you?
Funny that when Chelsea managed to hold out against barca in the nou camp for a longer period with ten men, utd fans called them lucky. Similar thing happens to utd (at home, against a worse team, with a lead and less time remaining) they do nothing but blame the ref. As a neutral this is why I think most utd fans are hypocrites. The red was harsh but you are missing the point, a better team would have held out.
comparing this to last year's Chelsea? you're not very smart, are you?
yes Chelsea were down to 10 men but that was in the 1st leg and they were leading 1-0 and basically had all 10 players as defenders! and unlike Madrid, Barca players don't know how to shoot from outside the box!
yeah this happend against bayern too once rafa got sent off we couldnt cope, it was the same here but you got to think about the game plan, which they were working on for 3 weeks and which didnt involve a sending off and its agaisnt real madrid. the same would have happend to madrid if they went man down, how often do you see the team with 10 men win a or hold on in a game where both teams are very good. sure chelsea did it against barca but that wont ever happen again.
Referee killed the match with that red card. Nani was unable to see his direct opponent jumping in, as he had his eyes on the ball. Yellow would suffice, but red clearly destroyed the battle everyone was hoping it to be..
it looked exactly like it was... nani reaching for the ball with no eyes whatsoever on the player and the player running into his leg. A yellow at most and a complete joke of a red.
Nani lifted his leg to control the ball and watched it all the way over his shoulder, it was a 50 50 at worst and the real madrid player went down like a sack o spuds despite being caught under the arm not in the head or in the chest. The madrid player charged into it. Just a simple 50 50.
Maybe a yellow card for the leg being too high but if you get straight reds for having a high leg these days they should ban overheads kicks!
How many times in a game do you see players feet at head level for control only for the ref to blow for a foul at worst and not even give cards?
I don't even comment on here anymore but I had to log in just to say that there is no way that was a red card. Nani had his eyes on the ball and didn't even know Arbeloa was coming in.
Please watch the damn game again! Nani back was facing Abeloa and he was looking at the ball at all time, trying to controll the ball as he always does and suddenly Abeloa just run toward his foot, if it anything it a 50/50 at worst it a yellow, No way that's a red
Nani was redeeming himself well enough before the red and even caused the OG of Ramos! he was everywhere he should be including defense and the red was given when he was going forward from a defending position!
the ref was piss poor and ruined the whole game and Ramos was a prick! should have been at least 1 penalty against him!
Extremely disappointing when a ref dictates how the game will end. United were well composed in offense and defense and were always looking on having the better chances throughout the first half. We started out guns blazing with good pressure to force Ramos' OG. Nani's slip up was never a red in a million years, give the boy a yellow and play on. Why is it that refs love to step in and mar the best ties out there? Well, can't blame Madrid for taking advantage of a fortunate situation and they really could've piled on the goals if they wanted... We looked great attacking at the end but Lopez was brilliant in goal (easily the MotM, imo). Modric had a nice strike in there although if United had all their men on the pitch, I doubt he'd have the space to make it happen. Mourinho was right that the best team lost today and I really hope this ref is somehow disciplined for not only the challenge but missing some handballs in the box and an easy penalty call on Ramos. Oh well, best of luck for the boys next year. Man United Will Never Die!
@RGB, Barca has been getting unfavorable BS calls for about a few weeks now and you still bring that up? C'mon man, lol eventually you're gonna have to let it go..
Sad to see the last 30 minutes of this great match ruined, it could have been the most exciting 30 minutes of the season in the end when you think about it...im happy for ronaldo, but poor portuguese fellow Nani did play a great game as well and didnt deserve the red card...harsh
So you're a "real Madrid fanboy" cause he's happy for these wins? What kind of idiot... Never mind. So what if you think they deserved the win, it doesn't change the outcome.
I'm the last person on Earth to defend Utd in any way, but Nani shouldn't have been sent off for that. He's clearly just trying to trap the ball out of the air.
United fans being absolutely irrational your player made the mistake, professional footballer+ high studs total red card grow up. Did the ref ruin it yeah, would it had gone extra time most likely. However, why not play rooney from the start??? Why not play hernandez when you needed more goals?? The first half was boring as hell.
When you look at it from the refs angle it looks like he went straight through him., just like the de jong tackle on xavi alonso back in the world cup. Did it deflate manU yeah, it would for any team. But to say ohhhhh we were sooooo dominant pffffffffft get out of here
Utd never had more than 3 players in Madrids side except for penaltys and never looked like scoring from open play. Madrid had 68% possession first half and most of it before sending off too. The boot was high and was very dangerous play whether he was looking or not. When a player does that hes asking for trouble.
I guess its just easier to blame the ref when your teams poor though eh? As it hides the problems at your team that just like City you too cannot beat the big teams in Europe. Utd can only beat teams like Basel..
You mean the same pathetic Spurs that beat Inter today 3-0? Spurs are a tough club and currently in 3rd place in the prem. If Aston Villa did the double on us maybe your opinion would have a bit of truth but you're just another bitter. Jog on.
It reduced ManU's options and took a highly influential player out of the game. You cannot ignore that fact and pretend that the game wasn't effected. Nani's runs were stopping Madrid pushing higher up the field for fear of the counter. When he was taken off, Madrid pushed higher immediately.
"OMG! We totally dominated the other team. We had much more chances. We should have won that game. The stupid referee's decision ruined our game. The referee should be hanged. WAAAAH!"
Hmmmm.....that sounds kind of familiar....oh yeah, Liverpool fans every other game. I had no idea how pathetic that sounded, until now.
Man united were parking the bus and counter attacking and they were at home . It was so boring until the red card , and deservedly so because That was no where near what I expected . Boring football just to win . So glad man utd are out . I hate the way the play
You can't park the bus and counter attack like that. So much poor knowledge on here (They subdued Madrids key players). Manchester United had far to many good chances to be parking the bus as you say.
"parking the bus" = having your whole team in your half for 90 mins, getting a corner and scoring.
I think the official stats, were Man Utd, 15 shots, Real Madrid, 14 shots.
we were doing absolutely fine up until the the red, its not like madrid were hammering our goal, we were probably going to win that. ah well, we're still in 2 competitions and we should win atleast one of them so its not all bad.
@karim: Pretty much the entire footballing world disagrees with that red card, including respected soccer pundits, the coach of Real Madrid and pretty much all the commentators covering the game (including ESPN America). If you had half a functioning brain and actually watched the game you would see why this is such a hot topic today. It was exactly that, a diabolical decision that surprised even the Real Madrid players.
When Real Madrid coach Jose Mourinho admits that 11 vs 11 his team should have lost, it says alot. Madrid didnt deserve anything from that game. Over two legs United should have won. Mourinho even admitted that tactically United were better as well. Respected soccer pundits agree. So what most of the people on here are talking about baffles me.
I will take that over arm chair soccer coaches and pundits any day of the week.
The red was harsh but cmon, Utd conceded TWO around 10mins after the red. No one seems to think that was a problem. Regardless of the red and being down to ten men, conceding two that quickly shouldn't happen. They shouldn't have conceded at all, they knew what was at stake. It should have been backs to the wall and hold the fort for the last 30mins. They couldn't do that at the end of the day.
He did say there was no cause for a red , and his point still stands . Between the notorious Fergie time and a few decisions usually in their favors , Man U protest way to much about refs ALL THE TIME .
Too bad it was still a bad decision , but shits happens , it just wasnt in their favor this time .
That's pretty much my view on it, look lets be honest Man Utd were in control and didn't look in any real danger but we all know football, it could have ended 2-2 3-1 to Uts or Madrid, anything was possible! I'm just sad the ref wanted some attention. We know the rules don't mention intent, that's not the point! The point is this happens week in week out and is a yellow at worst ( in the same way certain fouls are given outside the box but are deemed too soft to give as a penalty, pushing and obstruction for instance) Tbh this scenario is why football fans can be annoying, because it's against Man Utd you say it was fair but if it was against your own team then you'd be moaning, but then the Man Utd fans would be saying it was fair! Let's just be unbiased and honest, it was a bad decision that deprived all football fans of an epic final 30 mins, to be fair Utd still made Lopez work
So Lopez should also have got a red for punching Vidic on the head? Regardless of malice he still punched him, somehow I don't think you'd agree with that.
Diego Lopez had a world class game, He stopped every chance United had. He looked solid and made several critical saves.
Only a defensive error got United the goal, nothing was beating or coming close to beating Lopez other than that freak own goal.
Real had a completely legitimate goal by Higuaín cancelled because of a phantom tackle by Ramos. Watch the play again: Ramos didn't use Van Persie for leverage and only glanced his head coming down. Van Persie made a meal of it and Ramos being a footballer of this day and age decided to play dead in the situation. The same way Nani did just before getting send off!
Rafael handled the ball in the box, something the referee missed completely.
Mourinho said after that United weren't cheated, same with Ronaldo. Both said United should be disappointed.
"There was no way we could have beaten Real Madrid with 10 men" - A Manchester United fan just said that to me.
Well, Chelsea were down to 10 men, 1 goal down..They were playing with no CBs against the best player in the world, they quickly conceded another goal but guess what? We didn't crumble, we always believed and we were lucky at times but we deserved it so I really don't United fans' justifying of a red card for conceding two goals in THREE mins..they crumbled.
Plus, the tabloids are a disgrace..When Chelsea players surrounded Tom Henning Ovrebo after we were clearly robbed, the press said Chelsea players were out of control and acted in a disgraceful manner while when United players did this yesterday, they said they were right heck no one even bothered to criticize Rio Ferdinand's disgraceful sarcastic clap. It's obvious the media is Fergie's darlings
Edit: United fans booed Ronaldo when he scored against them..talk about the 'best fans in the world'
The "United fans always blame referees" is a seriously overplayed card. Its getting old boys. Why not try something different next time.
It seems the successes of Man United over the years has caused many opposition fans to feel a little butt hurt so they come out of their caves when United lose. This is happening right this minute on facebook. Liverpool supporters coming out of their underground caves to gloat. Its actually quite amusing and its put a smile on my face i must admit. Thanks all butt hurt opposition supporters for the laughs. I have supported United since i was 7 years old. I'm not a glory hunter or a sore loser as most people like to paint United fans. I'm a dedicated supporter and i believe in fair play. When retired referee's find last nights red card bemusing and strange then that says alot about the whole situaion.
Peace out.
Btw, i could care less about the disagrees. just shows the level of butt hurt here in this discussion. FA Cup and Premier League titles await us :)
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Idiot referee ruined the game
Well what can you say. United were the better and smarter team over two legs with the better chances especially in tonight's game. They were in excellent control and had Madrid shut down for virtually the entire game and worked incredibly hard, up to of course the red card that wasn't.
Madrid's threat was virtually neutered when it was 11 on 11, United had the best chances in the first half and before the red, they also created some amazing chances after the red card!
It feels like a bitter injustice. If United were beaten by a simply better team but it just wasn't the case tonight, United were the better team. These games are always so tight, that it is difficult to separate sides without some significant event.
For shame, but Madrid got a big slice of luck when they needed it most and that often wins ties and tips the balance of games, you need the rub sometimes in big games and it just wasn't with United tonight.
I think United can be very proud of the way the game ended and the result, despite it being a negative one. Sometimes you get a huge chunk of luck and sometimes you get robbed by various powers.
Thats football eh!
Reminds me of the red card suffered by Rafael against Bayern 3 years ago, another dodgy decision that handed it to Bayern when they were clearly inferior. It happens.
WTH was that Referee thinking pulling that Red Card.
Referee won the game, no two ways about that.